Message from @Borzo

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2018-10-23 13:36:08 UTC  

"The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.

The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.

National differences and antagonism between peoples are daily more and more vanishing, owing to the development of the bourgeoisie, to freedom of commerce, to the world market, to uniformity in the mode of production and in the conditions of life corresponding thereto.

The supremacy of the proletariat will cause them to vanish still faster. United action, of the leading civilised countries at least, is one of the first conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat.

In proportion as the exploitation of one individual by another will also be put an end to, the exploitation of one nation by another will also be put an end to. In proportion as the antagonism between classes within the nation vanishes, the hostility of one nation to another will come to an end." Marx

2018-10-23 13:36:09 UTC  

?

2018-10-23 13:37:16 UTC  
2018-10-23 13:37:17 UTC  

idc

2018-10-23 13:37:26 UTC  

the british raj was great

2018-10-23 13:37:55 UTC  

"Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word" - objectively different nations exist but not in bourgeois view as something that about bourgeoisie claim as representer of all nation

2018-10-23 13:38:33 UTC  

The working men have no country

2018-10-23 13:39:17 UTC  

All capitalist countries share the same feature: class antagonisms

2018-10-23 13:39:29 UTC  

History itself is based on class antagonisms

2018-10-23 13:39:31 UTC  

You then oppose to majority of Pakistani people @Deleted User as servant of colonialism, in fact slavery of your nation in hands of western imperialism

2018-10-23 13:40:17 UTC  

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

2018-10-23 13:41:15 UTC  

For example, feudal property was abolished in favour of bourgouis property

2018-10-23 13:41:31 UTC  

But that would be in turn to property relations

2018-10-23 13:41:47 UTC  

@Borzo yes but proletarians talk on different languages. That would be overcome in process of communist constructions. You talk now in way of bourgeois cosmopolitism which reject objective national difference.

2018-10-23 13:42:02 UTC  

Freeman -> patrician -> lord -> guild master -> bourgousie

2018-10-23 13:42:18 UTC  
2018-10-23 13:42:20 UTC  

Which is why we must make a worldwide language

2018-10-23 13:42:30 UTC  

western imperialism was great

2018-10-23 13:42:30 UTC  

English would be the smart choice

2018-10-23 13:42:39 UTC  

you don't know about me or my people

2018-10-23 13:42:43 UTC  

In the ussr, Russian was the smart choice

2018-10-23 13:42:43 UTC  

Communist do not reject nationality they reject bourgeois as representers of all nation (bourgeois ideology)

2018-10-23 13:42:43 UTC  

now stfu

2018-10-23 13:43:10 UTC  

@Deleted User have you heard of a classcuck?

2018-10-23 13:43:32 UTC  

@Deleted User you don't know about your people too as probably more live in European reality rather then your country.

2018-10-23 13:43:34 UTC  

Classcuck
A person living under a socio-economic system and who doesn't realize their subservient position in that system and even will actively defend it, e.g. a slave in the slave societies, a peasant in feudal societies, a wage-slave in a capitalist society. (synonymous to class traitor)

2018-10-23 13:44:27 UTC  

In proportion as the exploitation of one individual by another will also be put an end to, the exploitation of one nation by another will also be put an end to.

2018-10-23 13:44:37 UTC  

@Borzo but in USSR didn't reject national languages of republics

2018-10-23 13:44:55 UTC  

Yet Russian was taught in every school

2018-10-23 13:45:01 UTC  

I learned it very early of age

2018-10-23 13:45:05 UTC  

Russian was as language for international language of all Union

2018-10-23 13:45:22 UTC  

I do not (barely) know Belarusian, however, despite being born and raised in soviet Belarus

2018-10-23 13:45:27 UTC  

but also studying on national language of republics

2018-10-23 13:46:27 UTC  

Why of course, national languages of republics are artefacts of history

2018-10-23 13:46:29 UTC  

I know about Belarus but we do not reject best of all national cultures. Soviet Union helped each nationality develop its culture.

2018-10-23 13:47:14 UTC  

It's a part of national culture

2018-10-23 13:47:16 UTC  

That culture, the loss of which he laments, is, for the enormous majority, a mere training to act as a machine.

2018-10-23 13:47:26 UTC  

@Borzo you try to artificialy overcome process of creating united communist humanity

2018-10-23 13:47:45 UTC  

Yes

2018-10-23 13:47:52 UTC  

We live together or we die alone

2018-10-23 13:48:00 UTC  

It is the orthodox Marxist way