im not saying that no growth is inherently bad but im just comparing two models in their efficacy at wealth creation

also yeah most of these collapsed so uhmm

gee i wonder if you could give a reason why the marxsist-leninist states of the 20th ceuntry are no longer around

wh ywoudl you want to create "wealth"

what's this "wealth" you're speaking of

you mean, make more money?

its not the matter of my argument

I'm just saying, capitalism is better at wealth creation

in order to make more money you maximize profits and minimize spendings

yeah

and what's thsi wealth your speakign soo much abotut, taht you care soo much about

you're talking abour money isn't it?

to generate profit

more and more and more profit

coudl you tell me WHO owns the profit?

yeah generally money, or at least things you can represent in money

allright

tell me WHO owns the "wealth"

thats being made

who gets the "wealth" in capitalism

certainlly not the state right?

and cerainlly not teh workers right?

i wodner who could that be

someone that benefits form teh system of worker's exploitation in order to infinietlly accumulate profit for their own use.........

but what are they called?!

i realise that there is a big problem that capitalism generates wealth mostly for the richeset but my point is, if you dont have that then you dont have any wealth to speak of in the first place

"capitalism generates wealth mostly for the richeset"

you need some wealth in the first place to then redistribute it equally

who is it supposed to generate profit for?

anwser my question ^

for all the people?

how do oyu generate profit for all the people if you have private ownership of buisnesses and a free market?

the people who reap the profits are the owners of buisnesses not the workers

anwser

how do you generate profit for "all the people" if you have private ownership of buisnesses and a free market?

the owners are the ones that earn money on the free market

teh worker's are subject to wage slavery

through redistribution

very high progressive taxes

Who do you tax? @rogalik

the owners?