Message from @Kin/Poni
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gee i wodner how teh soviest turned russia from an agrarian feudalist state to an industrial superpower
>remained poor
who was poor
the people?
there people in every state taht die of hunger, medical bills, debts, can't afford a house
but in all those examples beyond creating some heavy industry the growth stalled
ok soo if the growth stalled shouldn't the natiosn just collapse economiclly?
liek in a coupel of years by your logic?
no
im not saying that no growth is inherently bad but im just comparing two models in their efficacy at wealth creation
also yeah most of these collapsed so uhmm
gee i wonder if you could give a reason why the marxsist-leninist states of the 20th ceuntry are no longer around
wh ywoudl you want to create "wealth"
what's this "wealth" you're speaking of
you mean, make more money?
its not the matter of my argument
I'm just saying, capitalism is better at wealth creation
in order to make more money you maximize profits and minimize spendings
and what's thsi wealth your speakign soo much abotut, taht you care soo much about
you're talking abour money isn't it?
to generate profit
more and more and more profit
coudl you tell me WHO owns the profit?
yeah generally money, or at least things you can represent in money
allright
tell me WHO owns the "wealth"
thats being made
who gets the "wealth" in capitalism
certainlly not the state right?
and cerainlly not teh workers right?
i wodner who could that be
someone that benefits form teh system of worker's exploitation in order to infinietlly accumulate profit for their own use.........
but what are they called?!
i realise that there is a big problem that capitalism generates wealth mostly for the richeset but my point is, if you dont have that then you dont have any wealth to speak of in the first place
"capitalism generates wealth mostly for the richeset"
you need some wealth in the first place to then redistribute it equally
who is it supposed to generate profit for?
anwser my question ^