@yung Which is the state? And what tells you that capitalism won't come back to destroy communism from the inside out? It happened with every communist nation that didn't get destroyed from war.

The fact is that capitalism is forever more subversive than that of socialism, it has been this way forever.

I can’t tell you Capitalism can’t come back. That’s why it helps for Socialism to be international, and initially militaristic for exactly that reason.

But internationalism never works.

It only leads to destruction of those trying to spread it.

so you suggest throwing the towel in like that? Just because there is imperialism?

If you attempt to spread socialism internationally and militaristically, it only ends up destroying socialism, trotsky and his schemes prove that.

Trotsky didn’t do shit tho

and the destruction of the Soviet Union as you know cane much later, when it was no longer Socialist at all.

Imperialism is long dead, it is but the corporations that run rampant now.

well yes it’s economic imperialism

same difference

Imperialism relies on a state being the direct force behind it, the direct force is only the corporations.

*Unless you count china, which just steals oil from african countries

i’m not sure I’ve read any definition of imperialism that requires the state to be the decider

@yung It relies on the country.

This isn't from a bunch of countries.

Yes it’s from a few countries

like two or three as far as I know

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imperialism

The countries are not the ones behind it though, it is the corporations that are privately run.

Ironically, china is the only outlier in this, which claims to be anti imperialist.

Yes but corporations font go into countries, they get governments, militaries to invade these countries if invasion is even needed

No they don't.

how don’t they?

Show me an example of them doing this.

Stop trying to act like me pal.

The whole history of US imperialism in South America

Wow, how descriptive.

I’m sorry corporations don’t go out and say this my dude. It would be very difficult for me to provide you with that especially for recent examples

@yung And did I forget to tell you that this happened during the age of imperialism? When such things were commom in empires?

But look up

It was in the 20th century

Example?

I’m not talking about colonialism

What? Amerikkka was never a colonial empire.

I was under the impression you thought that, sorry

United Fruit Company in middle America, be it Guatemala or Cuba. The company you now know as Chiquita

this is a pretty well known example you should find it I’m guessing

Oh so you are talking about cuba and how the US distanced itself from it when it became a dictatorship before castro overthrew it?

Wow what a great example.