@Deleted User Anything that you can think of

Besides things like a tooth brush

No obviously I woulden't leave my family out on the street, that's what basic human relations are.

Would you really share everything with everybody in your family?

According to their ability and according to their need

As well as that, you seem to think that basic human relations and curtousy is somehow a communist principle actions.

That idea is not to be spread to more than a small group, it was really meant for a small group of people, that being people in the first two digits.

That is like saying that empathy is impossible or sharing is impossible or monogamy is impossible. We as humans have generally agreed to overcome our animal nature for the benefit of a civilization.

Maybe even less than a dozen I would say, because when you start getting into the range of more than 20 people, things start to become a giant fucking mess, it works better if a person has to work for their worth, those who need help shoukd be helped, but those who utterly fail to do their work with no good excuse should really just be left to fend for their own.

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left Are humans robots?

It's better to carry the burden of a hundred freeloaders than allow one individual truly in need to pointlessly suffer scarcity

Silly question

Freeloaders just drag society down and leave it in depravity, we see it time and time again in history.

And again, what did I say earlier about those who deserve help?

It seems that if everyone was supported in applying their talents and skills "freeloading" would be at a minimum.

But that is a reality that is impossible to live in.

Also another good term for 'freeloader' is the 'ruling class'

Okay, and why is that?

they make our laws and refuse to pay taxes while ripping off their workers

that sounds much worse then 3 guys on welfare

They do pay taxes though? And I have seen that most businesses today give people nice benefits, as long as you are not working at some shit as hell place.

And when did I say I was against welfare?

@Deleted User for a buisness to be profitable by defintion you have to oppress your workers

I said I was against freeloaders.

Do you know what surplus value is?

By definition? Not so much.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/profitable

Maybe by YOUR definition.

without labor enterpreneuship doens't have value.

Also known as theft

If you want to defend capitalism, you have to defend that as well and then we can have a more legitimate discussion

Entrepenure ship is about starting businesses, do you know what you are talking about?

I ain't defending capitalism one bit, what I am doing is stating that your beliefs are shit.

How does it steal from workers again?

@Deleted User surplus wealth is a form of waste and then the capitalists sits around contributing nothing to society and distorting social and power relations between people who would otherwise be equals

It is theft plain and simple

that is the core of capitalist society

How is it a form of waste? It's a good thing, and it also means you can spend a lot of it.

How is it theft though?

Let's say a guy goes and buys a restaurant and puts a manager there who do all the hiring and logistics. The restaurant has 10 employees, who get's on average 10 usd per hour. Let's say the restauran in a week makes 15k of profit. The 10 employees combined make 4k a week and the owner makes 11k. The 10 employees do ALL the work in this scenario and the owner does none at all. Who generates the value?