Message from @RobotWizard

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2018-02-27 11:23:28 UTC  

hehehe

2018-02-27 11:23:39 UTC  

t. Chariman Mao

2018-02-27 11:23:46 UTC  

*chairman

2018-02-27 11:23:51 UTC  

well everyone had that idea, but it did not work

2018-02-27 11:23:56 UTC  

from tito to mao

2018-02-27 11:24:35 UTC  

my problem with communism is that is just restructures the class system and creates a class of bureaucrats

2018-02-27 11:24:41 UTC  

they all became alienated from workers people, or workers people from them

2018-02-27 11:24:59 UTC  

pretty much that too

2018-02-27 11:25:06 UTC  

so, is solution some kind of soviets (council of workers?)

2018-02-27 11:25:08 UTC  

it fails to address the issue of alienation

2018-02-27 11:25:42 UTC  

I mean yeah

2018-02-27 11:25:59 UTC  

but we need one political party to implement that

2018-02-27 11:26:11 UTC  

forming a consensus doesn't fucking matter

2018-02-27 11:26:38 UTC  

Not sure if I understood, so still one party - vanaguard who will implement soviet councils?

2018-02-27 11:27:05 UTC  

well I agree with Marx

2018-02-27 11:27:19 UTC  

we need to transition into this framework

2018-02-27 11:27:30 UTC  

we can't just wake up tommorow and have this

2018-02-27 11:28:10 UTC  

we need to focus on empowering people and restructuring our system of production to have more vertically structured and ensure equal ownership of the means of production

2018-02-27 11:28:25 UTC  

on top of this people have to be educated

2018-02-27 11:28:38 UTC  

we need to show people that pooling our resources and cooperating

2018-02-27 11:28:44 UTC  

is the most effective means of managing them

2018-02-27 11:28:58 UTC  

but again the problem of the left

2018-02-27 11:29:03 UTC  

its hard to conceptualize the how

2018-02-27 11:29:13 UTC  

i think the most damaging thing is that everyone thinks communism is authoritarian and immediately dismisses it without even knowing what it is

2018-02-27 11:29:18 UTC  

tbh, that does not sound like anarchism to me, more like some kind of syndicalism and luxemburigsm 😛 I might be wrong tho

2018-02-27 11:29:20 UTC  

It isn't

2018-02-27 11:29:36 UTC  

tbh anarchy isn't without leadership

2018-02-27 11:29:40 UTC  

just unjustified hierarchy

2018-02-27 11:30:19 UTC  

there just isn't a justified reason why one party should be the "vanguard"

2018-02-27 11:30:33 UTC  

and it alienates people from political discourse

2018-02-27 11:30:38 UTC  

when we need to make it more accessible

2018-02-27 11:30:56 UTC  

you can't count on a system to self critique

2018-02-27 11:31:12 UTC  

you need people who are willing to disagree

2018-02-27 11:31:24 UTC  

and challenge something even if it seems stupid

2018-02-27 11:31:33 UTC  

otherwise we would never form new ideas

2018-02-27 11:32:10 UTC  

I agree, but disagree that this sounds like anarchism

2018-02-27 11:32:12 UTC  

😄

2018-02-27 11:32:29 UTC  

Please don't take me at 100% face value i'm not some political genius

2018-02-27 11:32:46 UTC  

I'm not gonna pretend my views aren't without some holes

2018-02-27 11:33:11 UTC  

my views are 100% infallible and if you disagree you are objectively incorrect am i right

2018-02-27 11:33:11 UTC  

it does make sense and history proves it (history of real socialisms)