sorry I mean

thats probably true

lenin was a bit of shit as well

and trotsky certainly worked with him

well, they were all product of the those times, and harldy anyone can be different

for sure

I mean, being all secrative due tsarist regime, oganising in tight circles etc.

burn your heroes honestly

or at least don't worship them

like if they die don't preserve their body in a glass coffin for everyone to see just so you can maintain a cult of personality around him

😄

Idolatry is a cancer

Yes because when I say help my fellow human beings what I'm really saying is build a giant fucking statue of me and worship me

but, tbh their way of running things worked (vanguard party) - they successfully have rid of tsar, nationalised economy and tried socialism to be implemented.

Life of Brian is Jesus' biography

I mean, experiment of social-democracy (old) has failed and it did not gave results (many of them have become liberal parties) as well euro-commies

pretty much

and Muhammeds

look at the UK labor party under Blair

pretty much skipped arm and arm with Dubya

x)

nice jolly imperialist venture one more time

true. could not agree more

so should we embrace vanguard party, since it is almost only thing that worked 😛

and reject all other failed experminets

including....anarchism 😛

The party will just self critique right 😛

hehehe

t. Chariman Mao

*chairman

well everyone had that idea, but it did not work

from tito to mao

my problem with communism is that is just restructures the class system and creates a class of bureaucrats

they all became alienated from workers people, or workers people from them

pretty much that too

so, is solution some kind of soviets (council of workers?)

it fails to address the issue of alienation

I mean yeah

but we need one political party to implement that

forming a consensus doesn't fucking matter

Not sure if I understood, so still one party - vanaguard who will implement soviet councils?