Message from @Deleted User

Discord ID: 418186562606465024


2018-02-27 23:19:28 UTC  

Are you a robot

2018-02-27 23:19:34 UTC  

I haven't blocked anyone.

2018-02-27 23:19:53 UTC  

Clearly your choosing to do something right now

2018-02-27 23:20:16 UTC  

I'm a compatibilist. I don't believe in Hard Determinism.

2018-02-27 23:20:28 UTC  

I believe many things are out of our hands, but many things are in our hands as well.

2018-02-27 23:20:36 UTC  

I just find the idea interesting.

2018-02-27 23:20:47 UTC  

@Anarchist-Communist This dosen'r really prove anything, it just proved that humans have natural insticts to certain things.

2018-02-27 23:20:48 UTC  

Idc if you're an AnSyn. I myself was an AnSyn at one point, before studying Marxist theory and Soviet history.

2018-02-27 23:21:15 UTC  

natural instinct influence on human choices = no 'full' free will

2018-02-27 23:21:22 UTC  

Marx is pretty neat.

2018-02-27 23:21:41 UTC  

He really is. I'm glad you have a mind to appreciate his genius.

2018-02-27 23:21:44 UTC  

@styles Let the man argue for himself.

2018-02-27 23:22:04 UTC  

what does that have to do with anything

2018-02-27 23:22:07 UTC  

i have the same stance

2018-02-27 23:22:10 UTC  

that i have gathered myself

2018-02-27 23:22:17 UTC  

on a different time than this conversation

2018-02-27 23:22:24 UTC  

Yeah @Deleted User no one is arguing for anyone.

2018-02-27 23:23:31 UTC  

@Anarchist-Communist Marx was a failed "philosopher" who's beliefs failed miserably every time they were attempted, even stalin had to give up on the majority of marxism because lenin's attempt at it nearly destroyed the whole union.

@styles This isn't your argument however, you jumped it randomly without notice to help your friend @Anarchist-Communist.

2018-02-27 23:23:46 UTC  

why did you block me tankie?

2018-02-27 23:23:52 UTC  

he is not my friend i highly disagree with left wing politics

2018-02-27 23:24:06 UTC  

@VJ No of course I ain't a troll, if I was I woulden't be here for over a year now.

2018-02-27 23:24:06 UTC  

i was arguing with him about it before you came into the situation

2018-02-27 23:24:16 UTC  

@Deleted User Defeatism and Styles is not my friend. Also, I am assured you're a troll.

2018-02-27 23:24:31 UTC  

@Anarchist-Communist And why is that?

2018-02-27 23:24:42 UTC  

@Deleted User That was pure, emotionally-laden tripe. You obviously know very little of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, and the Soviet experiment.

2018-02-27 23:24:50 UTC  

@Deleted User I am not going to fall for your sea-lioning bullshit.

2018-02-27 23:25:14 UTC  

@Deleted User If there is one thing I know, it is that the soviet, chinese, and cuban experiment were all failures.

2018-02-27 23:25:37 UTC  

@Anarchist-Communist Do you see me trying to invade the UK.

2018-02-27 23:25:58 UTC  

How so? Drastically increasing the overall quality of life for most of their citizens is considered a failure to you? Lol

2018-02-27 23:29:14 UTC  

@Deleted User That claim is an unsubstantiated one, China, the soviet union (before it's collapse), cuba, and vietnam all had to become capitalist in order to survive, mostly due to them being at risk of collapsing if they continued their polices of marxism, this eventually resulted in every country where marxism was attempted, abandoning it, and moving back to capitalism, or in the case of north korea, their own independant belief.

2018-02-27 23:30:58 UTC  

Then, after the countries became moderate, and non marxist, they could not be considered marxist in any sane sense, even if otherwise stated, like the late USSR and the present china.

2018-02-27 23:32:05 UTC  

So that is the reason as to why everybody states that marxism and communism fails every time it is tried, because they have always ended up capitulating to capitalism, or abandoning marxism.

2018-02-27 23:33:28 UTC  

Your claim is actually unsubstantiated. None of the places you listed had to "become capitalist in order to survive". In fact, they thrived under socialist policies. This is evidenced by the statistics regarding education, healthcare, technology, labor, etc. What's interesting is that the quality of life actually decreased after the fall of the Soviet Union. This can be confirmed by studies done by the Russian government, as well as outside sources.

2018-02-27 23:33:30 UTC  

@Anarchist-Communist Still think I am trolling?

2018-02-27 23:33:49 UTC  
2018-02-27 23:34:14 UTC  

Also, over half of the population of the former USSR thinks highly of life under socialism, and actually desires a return to that way of life.

2018-02-27 23:34:38 UTC  

The life expectancy of every single country once in the soviet union dropped.

2018-02-27 23:35:05 UTC  

Let me guess.

2018-02-27 23:35:08 UTC  

> 2013

2018-02-27 23:35:16 UTC  

Lol