So that is the reason as to why everybody states that marxism and communism fails every time it is tried, because they have always ended up capitulating to capitalism, or abandoning marxism.

Your claim is actually unsubstantiated. None of the places you listed had to "become capitalist in order to survive". In fact, they thrived under socialist policies. This is evidenced by the statistics regarding education, healthcare, technology, labor, etc. What's interesting is that the quality of life actually decreased after the fall of the Soviet Union. This can be confirmed by studies done by the Russian government, as well as outside sources.

@Anarchist-Communist Still think I am trolling?

@Deleted User yes

Also, over half of the population of the former USSR thinks highly of life under socialism, and actually desires a return to that way of life.

The life expectancy of every single country once in the soviet union dropped.

https://www.rferl.org/a/life-expectancy-cis-report/24946030.html

Let me guess.

> 2013

Lol

@Deleted User Of course, why woulden't quality of life decrease over time after a giant and long lasting country collapsed, and you really have the ego to claim that china, vietnam, the near collapse USSR, and cuba, didn't become capitalist?

Cuba is not capitalist, and it's obvious that the USSR implemented market-oriented policies and economic liberalization not long before it's collapse.

That's a primary factor that contributed to its collapse lol.

@Deleted User https://www.google.com/amp/s/apnews.com/amp/a7038453c4234c1eb3bb026a355245d4

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/12/21/reuters-america-cuba-tightens-regulations-on-nascent-private-sector.html

@Deleted User So then you admit that the USSR was indeed capitalist later on?

Regulation =/= Nationalization.

Of course. That's an undeniable fact. And lmao, you clearly don't understand how small the private sector is in Cuba.

@Deleted User Under marxism, shoulden't private and capitalist elements be outright illegalized?

Cuba is a shithole

Idk what "under Marxism" means, but in ideal conditions and under a fully-developed socialist system, that would be true.

@Queef Madagascar Agreed, but that is a topic for another day.

@Deleted User I meant, in the marxist belief system.

Every country is capitalist today

Sure they might call themself something else but they are

@Queef Madagascar Ehh, not really when you look at the islamic states and north korea.

Saudi is capitalist

And North korea is a true shithole

Saudi arabia can barely be called an islamic state.

The best option is a mix of private and public

the best mix of private and public is 0% private <:blobsmirk:396521731185180684>

@nerd 0% public or private? Now I am intrigued.

Imagine being this consumed by ideology

Public and "private sector" limited to co-ops

@Queef Madagascar Cuba is a "shithole"? Is that why they have one of the best healthcare systems in all of Latin America? Or how about the fact that they offer free university-level education? How about the fact that homelessness and job insecurity are virtually non-existent? What about the lung cancer vaccine they recently developed? And all under a bullshit embargo that was imposed on them decades ago. Damn, what a shithole.

stalin was great

@Deleted User To be fair, you don't know for sure whether or not those claims are truthful thanks to cuba's shut in situation, but then again, I haven't heard anything that disagree's with that statement yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oNO8uFc7M0

woah such great healthcare

https://borgenproject.org/causes-of-poverty-in-cuba/

>cuba is a poor country that struggles to provide housing

you know what they say, what you pay for is what you get