What is unnatural about anything in nature?

Not really, humans can be considered a part of nature, yet their creations, beliefs, and more, are not of this earth.

They aren't? So they are from a different planet?

Re-read that.

Humans are apart of nature, but their creations, beliefs, and more, are not of this earth.

I did. Are their creations, beliefs and more from a different planet?

Not to say that they are alien in their nature, but they are not made under "natural" circumstances in this planet.

If they are "not of this earth" then where do they come from?

God?

No, they are human made, but such things cannot be done while under "natural" circumstances in the wild, it takes humans to purposefully do them.

According to your logic, only circumstances which arise "in the wild" can be considered "natural". You're also implying that humans cannot do things purposefully "in the wild".

Am I wrong?

I did not intend to imply that humans cannot do things purposefully while in nature, if we were incapable of doing things purposefully and artifically, then I doubt that we would be here today.

What things have we done that can be considered artificial though?

Yhea, I would say you are correct, minus the implications part.

guys is juche based

Yes

agreed kill all jews

No

Kill all yous.

yous

whoa mate

@Deleted User Take a look all around you, and think about your beliefs, much of what we created is artifical, not to say that most of our creations today have been a bad thing, but your beliefs are what I can also say this for 99% of the beliefs today, because they are made for an age in which humans separate themselves from nature, and surround themselves with materialistic and artifical things.

also IQ doesn't matter

being intellectual is retarded and there's no point

you're not going to start a revolution with books and literature

@sosa Kind of matters, as it determines the majority of the potential of your intelligence, but then again, it is a number that people take way too far.

I completely agree with you about beliefs being socially constructed and what not, but I don't agree that we have "separated" ourselves from nature. We are still very much in nature, whether we are eating a Big Mac at McDonald's or climbing Mt. Everest.

sorry what i meant to say was, IQ does matter, but I meant it shouldn't be a defining characteristic of how a movement is

I guess it just comes down to your definition.

@Deleted User Sure, we can walk outside, and we can look at tree's and plants that we have planted for ourselves to look at, but in all reality, it isn't the same.

@sosa True.

What I'm saying is, if you want a revolution, you have to destroy the system

If there ever comes a day in humanities existence where we close off ourselves from the outside world and we live in climate controlled domes, that will really be the day when we make human living itself artifical.

that's dystopic

@sosa Yhea, it is, and I am going on a tangent.

It isn't the same as what? A mushroom spreading it's spores with the wind or a bee pollinating a plant, enabling it to reproduce?

what is your ideology?

im curious

Of course a person planting some seeds is a different method, that is obvious. But I fail to see how that is any less natural.

@Deleted User That's sex, and not really, I think you took that the wrong way, what I meant to say is that, we surround ourselves with our cities in which millions can live, and it really isn't the same, as if we lived in nature, not to say that such a thing is inhereintly a bad thing, but it really isn't the same as if we were living in nature.