IMO

Stalin and Mao prove that communism has not been successfully attempted...thus far, it has always resulted in the leaders of the revolution keeping power, while the peasants suffer. We have yet to see true communism achieved anywhere.

Lemme guess.. Big Bad Stalin systematically starved millions of Ukrainians? Yeah, he paid the clouds to rain and murdered tons of people for personal gain.

Oh no

That was a horrifying accident

Love that

My issue with vanguardism is its potential to dissolve in authoritarianism, and that the party does not have the ability to self-critique

ultimately the party just creates a new bourgeoisie made of red bureaucrats

Can i see a source

@RobotWizard That's a common complaint among Trots and Anarchists. "Authoritarianism" means nothing to me in this regard as the revolution is not a tea party, and discipline is essential in ensuring the survival of the revolution. As for self-critique, democratic centralism as theorized by Lenin necessitates the free flow of ideas within the party.

The principle of democratic centralism and autonomy for local Party organisations implies universal and full freedom to criticise, so long as this does not disturb the unity of a definite action; it rules out all criticism which disrupts or makes difficult the unity of anaction decided on by the Party.

limiting the area of acceptable discourse to only the confines of the party is the problem

@chill with that shit

I cannot read russian sir

You want to have American source on Russian statistics imbecile?

I'm not gonna just go off a picture and words I can't read

what is counted as disruptive to that unity is defined by the party

I want an English source on russian statistics

Yes

cyka

English is a very common language there's bound to be something that can tell me in english, proof of high population growth

@chill with that shit But where this source will obtain data?

Fam i just need like

That translated

AHA ill find a russian

@RobotWizard Once a democratic consensus has been reached, then yeah, anything contradicting that would be considered disruptive.

Translate it. You don't need translation. Can you count?

I will search near and far for a russian

The picture is no better then to other one of if cant read the shit

That's like me sending you proof the Holocaust didn't happen in german

@chill with that shit Well you can't read the source because the source is Russian.

Then I'll get someone who can

Simple

I can

I agree with the importance of democratic consensus but its pretty clear in the Soviet Union's or China's case that consensus was clearly forced through the use of violence

Ya but

It's your thing so you could be lying out your ass

So

Ima get like, muh russian boi who is a hardcore putiner

Yaaaaaa