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Those are just the powers that be adapting so that they can stay ahead.
That's how the people get fucked over.
@Deleted User I was referring to Marx claiming that these things were fuelled by industry and a desire-to-obtain-material
There is no such thing a slow revolution.
Revolution must me quick, violent, and game-changing.
@Deleted User Under the DotP, you wouldn't have to "keep workers in line with guns" seeing as how they would be empowered.
It must revolve society to a new organization
Violence is the only way to remove corrupt tyrants.
To be a revolution
@Deleted User You really believe that bullshit?
I agree.
Now we're just stepping into the territory where Porky usually throws the common criticisms
But you actually believe the criticized part!
@Deleted User I know it to be true based on historical analysis.
Historically people don't cooperate due to being in the same strata of society
The proletariat didn't have to be kept in line with guns under their own dictatorship.
They cooperate for familial or tribal ties more than anything else
And I doubt they will under socialism in the future.
@Deleted User >implying they didn't
>also implying it was a dictatorship of the proletariat
Yeah workers' councils staffed by good old boys isn't pro-demos
Not of the regular prole
But of statesmen
Councillors rather
@Deleted User It was though. The DotP is synonymous with socialism. And you also don't understand what Soviet Democracy is. It's a form of Direct Democracy.
No it never was
It was representative at all points
If you even want to call it that
And only to appease the workers and revolutionaries
Who just got done suffering to place their desired leaders in power
In a Soviet democracy, voters are organized in basic units, for example the workers of a company, the inhabitants of a district, or the soldiers of a barracks. They directly send the delegates as public functionaries, which act as legislators, government and courts in one. In contrast to earlier democracy models according to Locke and Montesquieu, there is no division of powers. The councils are elected on several levels: At the residential and business level, delegates are sent to the local councils in plenary assemblies. These, in turn, can delegate members to the next level. The system of delegation continues to the Congress of Soviets at state level. The electoral processes thus take place from the bottom upwards. The levels are usually tied to administrative levels.
They would later "advance" society to capitalist industry and never really exit that stage
Market liberalization and the subsequent reintroduction of capitalist relations came about due to "de-Stalinization".
@Deleted User That's not even democracy that's the demos petitioning their leaders
Who are the archons of society
Democracy is an umbrella term.
It's a gay one
If that form of petition is considering democratic then NSDAP Germany was democratic
Which you would say I am sure "NO NEVER"
It wasn't though. Hitler and his ilk came to power thanks to a coup which was made possible because of a failed Marxist revolution.