Message from @Deleted User

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2018-03-11 22:10:07 UTC  

Those are just the powers that be adapting so that they can stay ahead.

2018-03-11 22:10:14 UTC  

That's how the people get fucked over.

2018-03-11 22:10:20 UTC  

@Deleted User I was referring to Marx claiming that these things were fuelled by industry and a desire-to-obtain-material

2018-03-11 22:10:22 UTC  

There is no such thing a slow revolution.

2018-03-11 22:10:39 UTC  

Revolution must me quick, violent, and game-changing.

2018-03-11 22:10:46 UTC  

@Deleted User Under the DotP, you wouldn't have to "keep workers in line with guns" seeing as how they would be empowered.

2018-03-11 22:10:50 UTC  

It must revolve society to a new organization

2018-03-11 22:10:57 UTC  

Violence is the only way to remove corrupt tyrants.

2018-03-11 22:10:58 UTC  

To be a revolution

2018-03-11 22:11:14 UTC  

@Deleted User You really believe that bullshit?

2018-03-11 22:11:17 UTC  

I agree.

2018-03-11 22:11:28 UTC  

Now we're just stepping into the territory where Porky usually throws the common criticisms

2018-03-11 22:11:37 UTC  

But you actually believe the criticized part!

2018-03-11 22:11:47 UTC  

@Deleted User I know it to be true based on historical analysis.

2018-03-11 22:12:16 UTC  

Historically people don't cooperate due to being in the same strata of society

2018-03-11 22:12:22 UTC  

The proletariat didn't have to be kept in line with guns under their own dictatorship.

2018-03-11 22:12:32 UTC  

They cooperate for familial or tribal ties more than anything else

2018-03-11 22:12:32 UTC  

And I doubt they will under socialism in the future.

2018-03-11 22:13:04 UTC  

@Deleted User >implying they didn't
>also implying it was a dictatorship of the proletariat

2018-03-11 22:13:21 UTC  

Yeah workers' councils staffed by good old boys isn't pro-demos

2018-03-11 22:13:27 UTC  

That's a hierarchy off the bat

2018-03-11 22:13:33 UTC  

Not of the regular prole

2018-03-11 22:13:36 UTC  

But of statesmen

2018-03-11 22:13:39 UTC  

Councillors rather

2018-03-11 22:13:59 UTC  

@Deleted User It was though. The DotP is synonymous with socialism. And you also don't understand what Soviet Democracy is. It's a form of Direct Democracy.

2018-03-11 22:14:11 UTC  

No it never was

2018-03-11 22:14:17 UTC  

It was representative at all points

2018-03-11 22:14:21 UTC  

If you even want to call it that

2018-03-11 22:14:27 UTC  

And only to appease the workers and revolutionaries

2018-03-11 22:14:37 UTC  

Who just got done suffering to place their desired leaders in power

2018-03-11 22:14:46 UTC  

In a Soviet democracy, voters are organized in basic units, for example the workers of a company, the inhabitants of a district, or the soldiers of a barracks. They directly send the delegates as public functionaries, which act as legislators, government and courts in one. In contrast to earlier democracy models according to Locke and Montesquieu, there is no division of powers. The councils are elected on several levels: At the residential and business level, delegates are sent to the local councils in plenary assemblies. These, in turn, can delegate members to the next level. The system of delegation continues to the Congress of Soviets at state level. The electoral processes thus take place from the bottom upwards. The levels are usually tied to administrative levels.

2018-03-11 22:15:03 UTC  

They would later "advance" society to capitalist industry and never really exit that stage

2018-03-11 22:15:43 UTC  

Market liberalization and the subsequent reintroduction of capitalist relations came about due to "de-Stalinization".

2018-03-11 22:15:52 UTC  

@Deleted User That's not even democracy that's the demos petitioning their leaders

2018-03-11 22:16:03 UTC  

Who are the archons of society

2018-03-11 22:16:05 UTC  

Democracy is an umbrella term.

2018-03-11 22:16:09 UTC  

It's a gay one

2018-03-11 22:16:25 UTC  

If that form of petition is considering democratic then NSDAP Germany was democratic

2018-03-11 22:16:27 UTC  
2018-03-11 22:16:32 UTC  

Which you would say I am sure "NO NEVER"

2018-03-11 22:17:10 UTC  

It wasn't though. Hitler and his ilk came to power thanks to a coup which was made possible because of a failed Marxist revolution.