we cut off @Valkyrie---1944

why do you think markets are necessary

@yung look it at this way people need to do something they need a job and not be laid back some lack it and need motivation but socialism will not motivate people

I agree

Or somehwat shallow

But I believe capitalism creates more incentive

But I agree capitalism is not great I do believe in social funds but not to be abused

What I mean not great it can't hdlpr everyone

@supermodel ruben you’re a snake

Sorry honey

Ah

@Valkyrie---1944 I think money is a good incentive to get stuff done, but I think it’s not the only incentive one can have. In fact, most inventions have been made regardless of monetary incentive (in state sector or by independent inventors who almost neve get the credit they’re due, and are simply outmatched by people who can sell better). In Socialism especially, work is not only valued but pretty much mandatory until post scarcity is achieved

Also true

But then you take the risk of relying on a very small portion of society that is intrinsically motivated in a very particular field

But while in the mean time you created debt by using public sector at the most you need to diversified your economy to demand the people one thing Venezuela failed to.do

Yes but Venezuela is mostly controlled by private power

People are not often intrinsically motivated to do regular part-of-the-sytem jobs

Why in the privatr sector, they can at least create some form of order.

the real problem in Venezuela is that there is constant fight between corporate powers and State policy. Chavez refused to diversify his economy even though an oil crash was to be expected, because he had his Chavismo in mind, a type of reform Socialism/Social Democracy. And it’s also proven to have been sabotaged by big business.(commodity shortages)

I think the real problem in Venezuela is that they aren’t Socialist enough. This is not to say that Socialism will 100% bring about good results, but being pretty Socialist while still having 80% of your wealth in private hands is too much of a contradiction

It can’t work

Thats basically the netjerlands

That depends on proof @yung and if you will you do need to hold back resources in case of such crisis

Fact is if Venezuela were Socialist, it wouldn’t have suffered a market crash

market crashes are a fact of Capitalism, not nature

Ah

Increase socialism will drive the market down and it will inflate the market to a point that a bubble exist

@supermodel ruben
I’m not an expert but I would guess that the Netherlands and its leadership isn’t so confrontational to national business and international trade

No

We arnt

But

We have almost no poverty

Amazing social resources

Etc

Where you from?

Holland

@Valkyrie---1944 That’s what I’m saying, it’s too dangerous to stay between the line of Socialist economics and Market economics

Either do one or the other

Or mix it sensibly

Our market economics lead to socialist social government