Yes but in the netherlands its relatively less

Its not america

Yes of clurse

*course

I find the dutch system perfect tbh

But be careful at talking about a Socialist government in market economies

Yes its social docratic

Democratic

Or social liberal

Yes

But its close to that sinthesis

Synthesis

because socialist state for me means dictatorship of the proletariat

Atleast closest on a global scale

I don’t know much about the Netherlands

but Social Democracy is in decline since the 1980s

In what sense

To be honest I blame American poverty levels on increase immigration levels

I wanted to say then ut a bigot but you seem nice

In the amount of services they serve, on how much they win, on how many Social Democracies there are..

Ah matbe

Maybe*

I dont know

I know that it functions pretty well heee

@supermodel ruben that type of talk destroys the left

Social Democracy was a concession by Capitalist nations, when looking at the social services granted by the SU to its citizens

@Valkyrie---1944 type of talk about immigration, which is very very small, destroys the right

As soon as the SU collapsed, scandinavian social democracies reverted back to privatization, if u notice

People who think immigration is expensive or a big weight to states and economics are not aware of the scale of nations economies

Also I don’t know what scientific correlation there is between immigration and poverty, especially in the US were immigration is not so rampant

@supermodel ruben and if immigrating isn't tied down then increasee poverty gonna happen which it is thanks to globalism

Thats complete bollocks

@supermodel ruben Also Immigrants very often cost less to states because you don’t have to pay their whole childhood and all the spending that goes with that

Also yes

Lets take the netherlands as an example

@Valkyrie---1944 https://youtu.be/QL_YEe7jLVc

try this video

just for some counter arguments

We have 17 million citizens

Only reason poverty is small in European so called democracy is because social funds to legal immigrants while infuming the native population

About 30000 people asked to immigrate