I'm kidding mate you had mentioned being in that situation

Yeah the article has a ton of misinformation. first off AR500 is NIJ rated, but its just a weird way that the do it. And 5.56 scare, requires a 20" barrel and a special +p round

Yeah but Ceramics have a shelf life, and are a crap shoot whether the plate has an internal fracture and there is no way to check it yourself. Not to mention its bulky as hell. You are only saving a 3lbs? roughly.

Idk about the NIJ rating unless that’s new. I have 16 plates and they aren’t rated

We couldn’t sell them to police departments because they weren’t Nij rated

Ceramics are defiantly not a crap shoot

Steve, the plates are cut from a sheet of steel and they get the sheet NIJ rated then cut the plates. It saves them on money. I think its stupid.

If they are certed they can't be a crap shoot

That’s how I got my ceramics. The ceramics I got were only 219.99 a plate

Wouldn’t that be compromising integrity @MrBlack

They are hydro cut so no heat to fuck with the tamper.

Okay

@Itcilis I have no clue

I do know that much

I’m going to look into that. I know hydro cutting makes it safe for like he said the heat treat

Idk. I’d trust it to stop a 5.56 at anything more than cqb distance. And if im taking hits center mass at that distance I’ve got bigger issues than how many hits my plate will stop

But on their FB page they have adressed the NIJ claims several times.

That's a good point Stephen

I’m wearing ceramics right now

As a police supply store we literally couldn’t sell them to departments because of the lack of certification. We could sell to individual officer. If a officer bought them it was for a throw on carrier over their soft armor. But it wasn’t something we would take liability for.

@steve there is a video from...years ago, of some guys putting over 100 rounds of GT into the lvl 3 plate from 50ft(?) and it still didn't fail. Its reputation is well deserved.

My ceramics I’m wearing right now are about 6.3lbs each

Not bad at all

Because I wear large

Really? I thought they would be lighter?

The mediums are light

5.5lbs a plate

Same mine are seven because they're 10x12

Cause my 10x12s are 7 pounds and they are steel

Mine are 10x13

Sapi?

Esapi

Ah mine are swimmer that explains it lol

Whats the thickness?

My 11x14 is 9lbs

SAPI are much lighter then ESPI lol

Late SAPI are literally 4.6lbs

Large

ESAPI are 6.3lbs large

That's still not bad