LOL a large part of that article is flawed and falls short of quite a few facts.

My scare with wearing AR500 is getting popped with a 7mm mag or something that is beating the velocity of the plate. It mentioned that the plates were being defeated by a 16” barrel with 55grain. I ordered a set of the ar500s 10x12 3+ curved plates around 4 years ago. During my wait there was a video of a guy shooting a Ar500 plate of the same make, if I’m not mistaken on the make. He was using either a 16” or a 20” with 55 grain rounds. It penetrated. I did call the company where a lady answered and said that he was using armor piercing rounds or a special barrel. I obviously can’t prove the information. But the whole idea of not having Nij plates is what bothered me. I’m not saying the plates haven’t improved since then. Now I just worry about the weight and spalling

Yeah AR500 has improved slightly, better QC but considering ceramic has gotten so much more available? Why bother at this point

Look at it this way. If u got ceramic ur set. If u got steel ur ok. If u got nothing ur taking a bullet either way.

Exactly. AR500 is better than t shirt

I still prefer ceramics to steel. I like weight and they are still multi hit rates

If ur buying armor at this point get ceramic. If u like I have had plates for years when ceramic was stupid expensive upgrade if u can

“I like weight” as in light weight

You maybe talking to yourself there Stephen? lmao

So. At least I respond

Let him talk himself into something

I'm kidding mate you had mentioned being in that situation

Yeah the article has a ton of misinformation. first off AR500 is NIJ rated, but its just a weird way that the do it. And 5.56 scare, requires a 20" barrel and a special +p round

Yeah but Ceramics have a shelf life, and are a crap shoot whether the plate has an internal fracture and there is no way to check it yourself. Not to mention its bulky as hell. You are only saving a 3lbs? roughly.

Idk about the NIJ rating unless that’s new. I have 16 plates and they aren’t rated

We couldn’t sell them to police departments because they weren’t Nij rated

Ceramics are defiantly not a crap shoot

Steve, the plates are cut from a sheet of steel and they get the sheet NIJ rated then cut the plates. It saves them on money. I think its stupid.

If they are certed they can't be a crap shoot

That’s how I got my ceramics. The ceramics I got were only 219.99 a plate

Wouldn’t that be compromising integrity @MrBlack

They are hydro cut so no heat to fuck with the tamper.

Okay

@Itcilis I have no clue

I do know that much

I’m going to look into that. I know hydro cutting makes it safe for like he said the heat treat

Idk. I’d trust it to stop a 5.56 at anything more than cqb distance. And if im taking hits center mass at that distance I’ve got bigger issues than how many hits my plate will stop

But on their FB page they have adressed the NIJ claims several times.

That's a good point Stephen

I’m wearing ceramics right now

As a police supply store we literally couldn’t sell them to departments because of the lack of certification. We could sell to individual officer. If a officer bought them it was for a throw on carrier over their soft armor. But it wasn’t something we would take liability for.

@steve there is a video from...years ago, of some guys putting over 100 rounds of GT into the lvl 3 plate from 50ft(?) and it still didn't fail. Its reputation is well deserved.

My ceramics I’m wearing right now are about 6.3lbs each

Not bad at all

Because I wear large

Really? I thought they would be lighter?

The mediums are light

5.5lbs a plate

Same mine are seven because they're 10x12

Cause my 10x12s are 7 pounds and they are steel