Message from @rail5

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2018-04-12 22:30:52 UTC  

we wanted to take advantage of the fact that he called himself a socialist to educate his supporters on socialism

2018-04-12 22:31:23 UTC  

What the fuck?

2018-04-12 22:31:54 UTC  

That would be a bad idea, they didn't want socialism, they wanted bernie.

2018-04-12 22:32:27 UTC  

I hope you realize that elections are now based off of personality rather than ideology.

2018-04-12 22:33:17 UTC  

no need to talk down to me, i know that very well
the point of the project was that a certain percentage of his supporters were likely to be radicalized now that the term had be de-demonized

2018-04-12 22:33:35 UTC  

nobody expected 100% of bernie supporters to join the CPUSA

2018-04-12 22:34:10 UTC  

But yet you expected bernie bro's to look at communism?

2018-04-12 22:35:14 UTC  

i'm not sure what you mean by "look at communism"
what we expected was to make short videos explaining the contradictions of capitalism and the incompatibility between democracy and capitalism, and target them towards people who were already inclined to call themselves "Democratic socialists"

2018-04-12 22:35:38 UTC  

during election season especially this could have been very successful had the party known how to organize

2018-04-12 22:36:28 UTC  

What? You really thought that democratic socialists would believe that democracy is incompatable with capitalism?

2018-04-12 22:37:19 UTC  

Not even the democratic socialists in civil war era china believed that.

2018-04-12 22:37:22 UTC  

They are not dem-socs

2018-04-12 22:37:26 UTC  

they are social democrats

2018-04-12 22:37:30 UTC  

extended welfare state

2018-04-12 22:37:33 UTC  

and free shit

2018-04-12 22:37:50 UTC  

does anybody here actually read messages

2018-04-12 22:38:02 UTC  

"who are inclined to -call themselves- democratic socialists..."

2018-04-12 22:38:07 UTC  

was what i said

2018-04-12 22:38:24 UTC  

@rail5 So that means your target audience was demsocs.

2018-04-12 22:38:48 UTC  

if you'd stop antagonizing me before listening to what i'm saying you might learn that we're on the same page

2018-04-12 22:38:57 UTC  

again our target audience was bernie supporters

2018-04-12 22:39:04 UTC  

bernie supporters often called themselves democratic socialists

2018-04-12 22:39:10 UTC  

whether thats an accurate label is irrelevent

2018-04-12 22:39:17 UTC  

my apologies if the phrasing in that one sentence was confusing

2018-04-12 22:39:49 UTC  

Go on....

2018-04-12 22:40:14 UTC  

sorry, about what?

2018-04-12 22:40:52 UTC  

i mean what haven't i clarified enough and i'll try my best to explain

2018-04-12 22:40:54 UTC  

....

2018-04-12 22:41:18 UTC  

i'm asking genuinely

2018-04-12 22:43:04 UTC  

dont give any legitimacy to socdems as radicals/socialists at all, it just waters the actual meaning of socialism to mean nothing besides left liberalism.

2018-04-12 22:43:20 UTC  

agreed

2018-04-12 22:43:22 UTC  

its counterproductive and a waste of time

2018-04-12 22:43:24 UTC  

@rail5 If your target audience was soc dems then you guys failed right there and then.

2018-04-12 22:43:55 UTC  

Soc dems will never become radical communists.

2018-04-12 22:44:06 UTC  

Even mao had to deal with that issue.

2018-04-12 22:45:48 UTC  

i mean i guess i just fundamentally disagree. i've seen even a number of right-wingers become radicalized into the far left

2018-04-12 22:45:59 UTC  

it seems to me the far left is just plainly logical

2018-04-12 22:46:09 UTC  

and if somebody is open to logical reasoning they'll be open to socialism

2018-04-12 22:46:26 UTC  

regardless of their political background

2018-04-12 22:47:10 UTC  

@rail5 There will always be exceptions with a few people.

2018-04-12 22:47:53 UTC  

(And in the best case, people like you will probably just get people who have no idea what they are doing).