Message from @mcstubbs

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2018-05-12 02:21:49 UTC  

Or even brain washed.

2018-05-12 02:22:40 UTC  

i'd say that can be true of many, but getting back to the original point, isolated instances of people acting like morons a sizeable chunk of people does not make.

2018-05-12 02:24:11 UTC  

Yet I hear plenty of communists basically praising the east and making an absurd claim that all the world's problems or east's problems and poverty is simply because of the west and/or capitalism.

2018-05-12 02:24:54 UTC  

And the total lack of research anarchists put in to human nature. Human nature as in what most humans are adapted to.

2018-05-12 02:25:07 UTC  

Stuff like that.

2018-05-12 02:25:34 UTC  

Mr E still wants me to be a child

2018-05-12 02:25:43 UTC  

<:pedo:312063094593683456>

2018-05-12 02:25:47 UTC  

No, if anything I wish you were an adult.

2018-05-12 02:25:47 UTC  

if they're saying that capitalism is the cause for many a world's ills, and the seat of capitalism is the west, and the west has exploited the resources of less developed nations in order to increase their own share of capital, than i'd say they're absolutely correct.

2018-05-12 02:26:06 UTC  

As for anarchists and human nature, *read Mutual Aid.*

2018-05-12 02:26:13 UTC  

*please.*

2018-05-12 02:26:14 UTC  

I don't think Mr E actually talks to anyone

2018-05-12 02:26:16 UTC  

Like

2018-05-12 02:26:36 UTC  

I think he just looks at memes and goes "hahaha this is what they think"

2018-05-12 02:26:57 UTC  

Also he doesn't know what human nature is

2018-05-12 02:27:47 UTC  

of course an animal who's locked into an artificially created environment with certain artificial incentives is going to behave according to those circumstances.

2018-05-12 02:28:44 UTC  

this makes judging an animal's "nature" by its performance in an artificial environment with artificial incentives absolute bunk.

2018-05-12 02:31:01 UTC  

but if the animal is reduced to its most basic instinct, that is, survival, then it will take the most advantageous strategy to secure survival.

2018-05-12 02:31:15 UTC  

in a modern society, this often takes the form of cooperation.

2018-05-12 02:32:08 UTC  

i'm not some naive idealist who subscribes to rousseau's musings on how humans are driven by some inherent love for their fellow man to create these exquisite societies, as much as i may like rousseau.

2018-05-12 02:33:23 UTC  

and when societies have been worker controlled, and when they haven't been crushed under the wretched paws of some tyrannical government or porcine capitalist, they've thrived!

2018-05-12 02:35:38 UTC  

Get ready for this intellectual response

2018-05-12 02:38:27 UTC  

Then that's claim since that's not what happened. Most poor developing countries gain quite a lot due to capitalism. Even in Africa. Hell same for Japan. Especially for japan in the past. I know what mutual aid is, it still doesn't negate the fact that most humans depend on hierarchy and need it to survive. Count Dankula made a really good video on this with his own research but unfortunately I cant find it right now. Humans again, make their own environment, that's how we survive. Otherwise we'd be eaten alive by wild animals because we're not as strong or as fast as a lot of animals. That's why we used to live in caves and stuff, because it was safer than going out in the wild unless you needed to hunt. Quite a lot of animals would die without a place to hide or live in. So logically living in such an environment seems to be the best thing to do in order to survive. It's basic adaption. Survival. "artificial" or not, many animals like humans use their environment and make their own environment to survive. Also another form of cooperation is conflict, without it we'd be very over populated. It's the same reason why animals eat eachother so because humans dont have a natural predator we fight with eachother. Which in turn allows us not to overpopulate. Hierarchy and government is very necessary, it's pretty much a tribal tradition since the dawn of man and all over the world too. Societies are worker controlled, that's how people gain money. I don't know what "tyrannical capitalist government" you're talking about though since most capitalist countries support their people, especially western countries. Hence why western countries are more successful, that and a better culture due to christianity.

2018-05-12 02:39:09 UTC  

I do know what human nature is and also I dont look at memes buy, you're the one who posts them regularly.

2018-05-12 02:39:36 UTC  

Is this a copy paste

2018-05-12 02:39:44 UTC  

Wouldn't be surprised

2018-05-12 02:39:51 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/444690138925367297/IMG_20180430_205103.jpg

2018-05-12 02:39:52 UTC  

Besides I've yet to know of a successful anarchist society .

2018-05-12 02:39:56 UTC  

Not even worth reading

2018-05-12 02:39:58 UTC  

Rojava

2018-05-12 02:40:04 UTC  

Wasnt for you but okay.

2018-05-12 02:40:18 UTC  

Rojava

2018-05-12 02:40:25 UTC  

revolutionary catalonia failed not on its own merits but due to stalinist meddling and being crushed by a militarily superior force.

2018-05-12 02:40:47 UTC  

> even in Africa same for Japan

2018-05-12 02:40:50 UTC  

Actually what

2018-05-12 02:40:53 UTC  

They're not a society.

2018-05-12 02:41:03 UTC  

Plus they probably also depend on hierarchy

2018-05-12 02:41:06 UTC  

h-how?

2018-05-12 02:41:11 UTC  

According to Mr E countries that fall from war aren't successful soo

2018-05-12 02:41:14 UTC  

Rojava

2018-05-12 02:41:20 UTC  

They're a military group but not a society.