Message from @Mr. X

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2018-05-27 00:23:00 UTC  

wich means that nobody would be able to own things that are used to produce other things

2018-05-27 00:23:21 UTC  

Then that's dumb.

2018-05-27 00:23:32 UTC  

How can you produce something without it being owned?

2018-05-27 00:23:41 UTC  

Unless you want to be anprim that wont work.

2018-05-27 00:23:54 UTC  

you produce for exchange

2018-05-27 00:23:59 UTC  

not for profit

2018-05-27 00:24:02 UTC  

or

2018-05-27 00:24:12 UTC  

Profit is from what you produce.

2018-05-27 00:24:17 UTC  

you could get paid depending on the amount of products you make

2018-05-27 00:24:27 UTC  

It also help inflation. And the economy as a whole.

2018-05-27 00:24:36 UTC  

you dont need *profit*, thats the key aspect of communism

2018-05-27 00:24:37 UTC  

the state would wn the means of production

2018-05-27 00:24:45 UTC  

own*

2018-05-27 00:25:00 UTC  

Which would inevitably be abused.

2018-05-27 00:25:06 UTC  

not really

2018-05-27 00:25:15 UTC  

Working for the government isnt something people should do.

2018-05-27 00:25:16 UTC  

well yes, i mean thats another issue

2018-05-27 00:25:17 UTC  

Lenin didnt abuse that

2018-05-27 00:25:20 UTC  

Castro didnt

2018-05-27 00:25:23 UTC  

And yes really. It has happened many times.

2018-05-27 00:25:26 UTC  

Yes they did.

2018-05-27 00:25:30 UTC  

Ho Chi Min didnt

2018-05-27 00:25:49 UTC  

He did.

2018-05-27 00:25:56 UTC  

but thats not a critique of the economic system though... all systems are vulnerable to abuse from the officials / planners, etc

2018-05-27 00:26:05 UTC  

thats true

2018-05-27 00:26:20 UTC  

Ho chi min was smart but he wasnt a smart politician.

2018-05-27 00:26:38 UTC  

@Larry Skywalker true but my main critique is the ability to abused.

2018-05-27 00:26:39 UTC  

what i want to say is, in a capitalist system more than half of the profit you produce gets sucked off by your boss

2018-05-27 00:26:48 UTC  

Communism can be abused much easier.

2018-05-27 00:27:03 UTC  

in a communist system you would get full profit for your work

2018-05-27 00:27:21 UTC  

But this time your profit goes to people who dont earn it. Or goes to people who the state says earns it.

2018-05-27 00:27:47 UTC  

no, it doesnt

2018-05-27 00:27:51 UTC  

it goes for you

2018-05-27 00:27:52 UTC  

You make it sound attractive.

2018-05-27 00:28:02 UTC  

its your work, so you get the profit

2018-05-27 00:28:17 UTC  

Its not your work. The state own your production.

2018-05-27 00:28:32 UTC  

You're merely pawns of government in that situation.

2018-05-27 00:28:42 UTC  

By work and law.

2018-05-27 00:28:55 UTC  

Meaning you give them much more control.

2018-05-27 00:29:01 UTC  

no, the state owns the means of profuction

2018-05-27 00:29:04 UTC  

Control not necessary for them.