Message from @Nicholas91

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2018-07-18 13:06:25 UTC  

Had those generals not been purged, the war would have been lost. They would have constituted a fascist fifth column like in so many other nations that fell to fascism.

2018-07-18 13:06:27 UTC  

but tukhachevsky was interrogated by yezhov

2018-07-18 13:07:12 UTC  

I mean it is hard to argue with the fact that Stalin so comprehensively destroyed the nazis

2018-07-18 13:07:20 UTC  

yeah I'll give stalin credit there

2018-07-18 13:07:32 UTC  

And listened to zhukov

2018-07-18 13:07:35 UTC  

Archives released from Germany and Japan strongly point to his guilt.

2018-07-18 13:08:12 UTC  

I think the more interesting question is what exactly were those leaders who got purged and executed thinking by collaborating with fascists

2018-07-18 13:08:40 UTC  

Well for that

2018-07-18 13:08:54 UTC  

You'd probably want to read about the psychology of fascism

2018-07-18 13:09:06 UTC  

I reject that they were fascists

2018-07-18 13:09:11 UTC  

were they genuinely fascist or just anti-stalinist?

2018-07-18 13:09:18 UTC  

I think it was the latter

2018-07-18 13:09:23 UTC  

I can't see how it could be the former

2018-07-18 13:09:42 UTC  

so without stalin in power they most likely wouldn't have betrayed the USSR

2018-07-18 13:09:47 UTC  

You know what it was? They probably thought Stalin was revisionist

2018-07-18 13:09:55 UTC  

Stalin thought they were revisionist

2018-07-18 13:10:05 UTC  

probably

2018-07-18 13:10:06 UTC  

Everybody thinks everybody else is revisionist

2018-07-18 13:10:16 UTC  

hahaha so true

2018-07-18 13:10:24 UTC  

Nobody ever thinks they may be applying the principles of marxism leninism incorrectly

2018-07-18 13:10:27 UTC  

you guys watch that film

2018-07-18 13:10:30 UTC  

the death of stalin

2018-07-18 13:10:45 UTC  

its actually funny

2018-07-18 13:11:03 UTC  

no but I heard about it from the moscow times

2018-07-18 13:11:22 UTC  

theres some true parts to it

2018-07-18 13:11:30 UTC  

Its funny as fuck either way

2018-07-18 13:11:48 UTC  

and they are very respectful to zhukov

2018-07-18 13:11:52 UTC  

in the portrayal

2018-07-18 13:12:56 UTC  

I don't know about Zhukov. As good of a marshal he was, he did conspire with Khruschev

2018-07-18 13:13:07 UTC  

yeah against beria

2018-07-18 13:13:20 UTC  

And both Stalinists and Trots hate Khruschev

2018-07-18 13:13:34 UTC  

Iv never seen anything positive written about him

2018-07-18 13:14:02 UTC  

But then again better that they got Beria out

2018-07-18 13:14:12 UTC  

better an oaf than a psychopath

2018-07-18 13:15:29 UTC  

Beria smoked out Yezhov, and he pretty much halted all the illegal executions Yezhov was carrying out

2018-07-18 13:16:05 UTC  

I think there's pretty good evidence he was a rapist

2018-07-18 13:16:13 UTC  

I dont think that's purely smear

2018-07-18 13:17:16 UTC  

Really? Jeez

2018-07-18 13:17:35 UTC  

They found bones

2018-07-18 13:18:13 UTC  

I mean fuck who knows for sure

2018-07-18 13:19:00 UTC  

but I can defend Stalin more comfortably than him