Message from @Frosty

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2018-08-03 00:56:44 UTC  

@Frosty and nope Russia was not totally feudalist

2018-08-03 00:56:58 UTC  

It was recently turned into a capitalist nation

2018-08-03 00:57:11 UTC  

So Lenin wanted a period of capitalism?

2018-08-03 00:57:15 UTC  

So still had strong feudal aspects

2018-08-03 00:57:27 UTC  

Yep to create the conditions for socialism

2018-08-03 00:57:33 UTC  

That was the NEP

2018-08-03 00:57:45 UTC  

Which ended by the 30's

2018-08-03 00:58:18 UTC  

The vanguard party?

2018-08-03 00:58:29 UTC  

Basically being state run capitalism

2018-08-03 00:58:37 UTC  

For a time

2018-08-03 00:58:41 UTC  

Yep

2018-08-03 00:58:50 UTC  

Just to create the conditions

2018-08-03 00:58:55 UTC  

How does state run capitalism work

2018-08-03 00:59:01 UTC  

And bring the peasants closer

2018-08-03 00:59:07 UTC  

I seems counter intuitive

2018-08-03 00:59:14 UTC  

@Frosty it's not

2018-08-03 00:59:31 UTC  

In fact it's a common road for all capitalist developed nations

2018-08-03 01:00:19 UTC  

State run economy isn't counter intuitive to capitaljsm

2018-08-03 01:00:21 UTC  

Interesting so Trotsky was less socialist because he was too socialist making him a detriment to the communist movement?

2018-08-03 01:00:44 UTC  

Oversimplifying it yeah

2018-08-03 01:00:56 UTC  

Well that makes sense now

2018-08-03 01:01:05 UTC  

He wasn't too socialist because he denied local and time conditions

2018-08-03 01:01:11 UTC  

But why was he nice to capitalists then

2018-08-03 01:01:13 UTC  

So not very scientific

2018-08-03 01:01:30 UTC  

@Frostybecause he wanted the liquidation of the ussr

2018-08-03 01:01:45 UTC  

Liquidation?

2018-08-03 01:01:51 UTC  

End

2018-08-03 01:01:51 UTC  

Sorry I’m slow

2018-08-03 01:02:30 UTC  

World revolution as opposed to socialism in one state.

2018-08-03 01:02:36 UTC  

Even after he stopped to advocate it openly he still did it in more ideologically hidden ways

2018-08-03 01:02:41 UTC  
2018-08-03 01:03:01 UTC  

Socialism in one country advocates for world revolution

2018-08-03 01:03:30 UTC  

Permanent revolution is just unrealistic

2018-08-03 01:03:43 UTC  

how so?

2018-08-03 01:04:39 UTC  

It said a country recently involved in a huge civil war and economically exhausted should throw itself in war with the entirety of Europe

2018-08-03 01:04:58 UTC  

That's not advocating for world socialism

2018-08-03 01:05:07 UTC  

Just a idealistic fantasy

2018-08-03 01:05:27 UTC  

Why did he want that

2018-08-03 01:05:34 UTC  

What’s the point

2018-08-03 01:05:43 UTC  

delusional kike

2018-08-03 01:05:48 UTC  

Because he didn't believe in the proletarian peasant alliance