The abstractions are more important for you than your own people?

i like our people because of our generosity because of the fact we progress because of the fact were willing to change

if people were no longer like that why even fight for them

You would divide your nation and fight the part of it because it does not provide personal benefit to you and does not support your individual ideals?

i dont care if it benefits me personally i care if the nation benefits the majority without attempting to oppress the minority

in terms of political beliefs

So if there is no freedom that you benefit and no protection that you benefit and your people having different ideals, you're ready to put your ideals higher their ideals, you are ready to fight part of your people because it is not the way you personally like?

If there is no freedom in general i am not for censoring anyone not even neo nazis who want me dead for my race

What if people of your nation dislike an ideal of freedom?

than they have brainwashed

No, they have a different ideal.

It is possible for idealists to have different ideals.

also i think that if any group is being censored they are being oppressed

So you will disregard any other ideal opposing yours and will fight with your nation in such case?

depends on the ideal

Freedom

yes

because at that point it is no longer my nation

We have similar perception than. Aside of yours being idealistic. I think any nation supporting Marxism must be cherished and it may have any benefit as long as it is on the course of implementing Marxist thought.

yeah i think idealists think alike even when their ideals are different

if a nation doesnt treat its people right it might aswell be a foriegn power and if you treat them wrong enough they will become one

We are ready to declare a special position of a Marxist nation and give it all the benefits above other nations.

i think both nationalism and some forms of socialism can agree on self reliance.

but for different reasons of course

Nationalism can be bourgoise and can be proletarian

But nationalism still is a feeling

An emotion, something impossible to fuly control

i feel that rich people are a necessary evil that must be forced to obey nations will by any means

To defend certain values you may give one/few nations a special right to use resources and labor of other nations as it has to be strong and capable to defend and promote it's values.

yes but once you go internationalist that also has its weakenesses your ideology will be eaisily infiltrated

How?

No evil is necessary

holding their family hostage taking away their money and giving it to more willing entrepreneurs

I agree

?

I dont get it

lets say they outsource all our jobs to x country

we lose jobs

isnt our right and duty to stop them

Capitalism produced problemes

If a capitalist works against the benefit of a nation, a nation may force cooperation with such capitalist. If capitalist supports the nation, the nation can give some support back.