Message from @Hagel
Discord ID: 496412964300259329
It is important to behold beauty, create beauty, and to become beautiful.
Why?
For the same reason you choose to avoid being tortured
It is important to you
Why does wood burn?
Why does water freeze?
For the dopamine release?
Those are traits of the substance
No, not for the dopamine. I am not a hedonist
Feel of beauty is important
Addictive even
But if I was a hedonist, then it would be important to me to enjoy pleasure
Addictive nature of dopamine generates a need to repeatedly "behold beauty, create beauty, and to become beautiful"
You would have me believe that I don't *have* to do anything, so stop telling me what I have to do
You silly wanker
Beauty is not important as well as dopamine.
It is important to me
As surely as water can freeze or turn to gas
Switch to serotonin.
And you'll notice, if you examine yourself, that you also have things that you care about
Those values are instinctual and related to genes
So?
They don't have abstract significance.
I do not buy this shit. Instinct is different from logic.
Why do you accept your values, but not mine?
You have your values, and I have mine
This is the way the world is
You want to avoid being tortured. I want to create beauty.
You want global communist revolution or what ever it is you want
I want to improve the genes of humanity [Editor's note: *change the genes of humanity]
My values are objective. I uphold them because it is a necessity to do so in my condition.
What are your values, and how are they more objective than mine?
Objective values are based on dialectical materialist understanding.
Gas yourself Nihilist
a nihilist thats it!
As you don't know dialectics you can't be a proper materialist
If there is a higher purpose in the world then white people are the ones closest to finding it
and your values are not objective
How can you prove that communism is objectively necessary more than I can prove that pugnism is objectively necessary?
Why is it good to know dialectics?