Message from @Hagel

Discord ID: 496412964300259329


2018-10-01 20:04:18 UTC  

It is important to behold beauty, create beauty, and to become beautiful.

2018-10-01 20:04:25 UTC  

Why?

2018-10-01 20:04:36 UTC  

For the same reason you choose to avoid being tortured

2018-10-01 20:04:43 UTC  

It is important to you

2018-10-01 20:04:45 UTC  

Why does wood burn?

2018-10-01 20:04:50 UTC  

Why does water freeze?

2018-10-01 20:04:51 UTC  

For the dopamine release?

2018-10-01 20:04:57 UTC  

Those are traits of the substance

2018-10-01 20:05:12 UTC  

No, not for the dopamine. I am not a hedonist

2018-10-01 20:05:30 UTC  

Feel of beauty is important

2018-10-01 20:05:34 UTC  

Addictive even

2018-10-01 20:05:34 UTC  

But if I was a hedonist, then it would be important to me to enjoy pleasure

2018-10-01 20:06:35 UTC  

Addictive nature of dopamine generates a need to repeatedly "behold beauty, create beauty, and to become beautiful"

2018-10-01 20:06:37 UTC  

You would have me believe that I don't *have* to do anything, so stop telling me what I have to do

2018-10-01 20:06:50 UTC  

You silly wanker

2018-10-01 20:07:05 UTC  

Beauty is not important as well as dopamine.

2018-10-01 20:07:18 UTC  

It is important to me

2018-10-01 20:07:25 UTC  

As surely as water can freeze or turn to gas

2018-10-01 20:07:29 UTC  

Switch to serotonin.

2018-10-01 20:07:46 UTC  

And you'll notice, if you examine yourself, that you also have things that you care about

2018-10-01 20:07:53 UTC  

because those values are part of your nature

2018-10-01 20:08:13 UTC  

Those values are instinctual and related to genes

2018-10-01 20:08:24 UTC  

So?

2018-10-01 20:08:28 UTC  

They don't have abstract significance.

2018-10-01 20:08:55 UTC  

I do not buy this shit. Instinct is different from logic.

2018-10-01 20:09:07 UTC  

Why do you accept your values, but not mine?

2018-10-01 20:09:12 UTC  

You have your values, and I have mine

2018-10-01 20:09:14 UTC  

This is the way the world is

2018-10-01 20:09:26 UTC  

You want to avoid being tortured. I want to create beauty.

2018-10-01 20:09:39 UTC  

You want global communist revolution or what ever it is you want

2018-10-01 20:09:52 UTC  

I want to improve the genes of humanity [Editor's note: *change the genes of humanity]

2018-10-01 20:10:01 UTC  

My values are objective. I uphold them because it is a necessity to do so in my condition.

2018-10-01 20:10:13 UTC  

What are your values, and how are they more objective than mine?

2018-10-01 20:10:49 UTC  

Objective values are based on dialectical materialist understanding.

2018-10-01 20:10:56 UTC  

Gas yourself Nihilist

2018-10-01 20:11:14 UTC  

a nihilist thats it!

2018-10-01 20:11:21 UTC  

As you don't know dialectics you can't be a proper materialist

2018-10-01 20:11:36 UTC  

If there is a higher purpose in the world then white people are the ones closest to finding it

2018-10-01 20:11:37 UTC  

and your values are not objective

2018-10-01 20:11:46 UTC  

How can you prove that communism is objectively necessary more than I can prove that pugnism is objectively necessary?

2018-10-01 20:11:53 UTC  

Why is it good to know dialectics?