Message from @comrade sal
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you put no confidence in the proletariat then\
let me guess, the common people have no sense
nonsense, in life they're needed for the elite to rise and for them to become elite
I am common people
and if common people degenerate then so be it.
that is the reality of life
Capitalism is part of reality
Communism and socialism is not
Also I want to see the slavs redeem themselves, I want them to grow competent. And maybe they will, but not with putin and its current constitution.
The slavs must stand on their own two feet by themselves
Only individually will they grow truly competent
interesting perspective
i have a few fundamental objections, but i suppose thats to be expected
Speak of them then
i mean first, you havnt really made an argument. you say the proletariat is needed to "rise and for them to become **elite**", eluding to some social mobility between strata, or does this mean revolution? This is objectively false under capitalism for many reasons, the simplest being inequality
through the consolidation of wealth and cultural reproduction
"if common people **degenerate** then so be it" is vague, and not an argument
"capitalism is part of reality" is not an argument
Inequality is the means to rise up. Rise as in gain individual status while gaining wealth. It is the ultimate way of living. Im not making an argument
Im simply stating the truth
Rising up isnt pointless revolution although it may be useful
what is in **bold** are words that are not defined and require specification to properly understand the argument
Elite as in the rich and competent
the degenerate as in the poor and weak
inequality is the means to rise up, or the reason? you cannot use inequality to mount a revolution. inequality is a disparity between the rich and the poor, a divide which continues to grow as the state is used an institution to extract value and wealth from the working masses
perhaps equal operatunity is a must have but not equal outcomes
Inequality is the means and the individual reason.
If the revolution doesnt call for inequality then it is in vain
your definition of elite, are rich and competent always the criteria? are you implying to be rich one must be competent and if one is rich it is because they are competent
because inequality is inevitable
they are rich because they are the most competent in most cases
but in almost all cases they are competent in their own right and their own field, clearly
are the "degenerates" poor because they are weak, or are their competent among them
the degenerates are poor because they're weak
they must be thought how to grow strong
and if that fails then they are hopeless
weak... mentally? or physically?
One or the other or both
i understand