Message from @comrade sal

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2018-11-15 01:13:26 UTC  

and then the stuff about russians is a rant i guess not really pertinent

2018-11-15 01:13:36 UTC  

Rising up isnt pointless revolution although it may be useful

2018-11-15 01:13:55 UTC  

It was not to you it was to @Schutz

2018-11-15 01:14:09 UTC  

what is in **bold** are words that are not defined and require specification to properly understand the argument

2018-11-15 01:14:39 UTC  

Elite as in the rich and competent

2018-11-15 01:14:55 UTC  

the degenerate as in the poor and weak

2018-11-15 01:15:49 UTC  

inequality is the means to rise up, or the reason? you cannot use inequality to mount a revolution. inequality is a disparity between the rich and the poor, a divide which continues to grow as the state is used an institution to extract value and wealth from the working masses

2018-11-15 01:16:06 UTC  

perhaps equal operatunity is a must have but not equal outcomes

2018-11-15 01:16:45 UTC  

Inequality is the means and the individual reason.

2018-11-15 01:17:11 UTC  

If the revolution doesnt call for inequality then it is in vain

2018-11-15 01:17:11 UTC  

your definition of elite, are rich and competent always the criteria? are you implying to be rich one must be competent and if one is rich it is because they are competent

2018-11-15 01:17:23 UTC  

because inequality is inevitable

2018-11-15 01:17:54 UTC  

they are rich because they are the most competent in most cases

2018-11-15 01:18:15 UTC  

but in almost all cases they are competent in their own right and their own field, clearly

2018-11-15 01:18:31 UTC  

are the "degenerates" poor because they are weak, or are their competent among them

2018-11-15 01:18:57 UTC  

the degenerates are poor because they're weak

2018-11-15 01:19:10 UTC  

they must be thought how to grow strong

2018-11-15 01:19:18 UTC  

and if that fails then they are hopeless

2018-11-15 01:19:23 UTC  

weak... mentally? or physically?

2018-11-15 01:19:43 UTC  

One or the other or both

2018-11-15 01:19:46 UTC  

i understand

2018-11-15 01:20:13 UTC  

you believe our current society functions under the principles of meritocracy

2018-11-15 01:20:31 UTC  

those who are competent rise to elite status

2018-11-15 01:20:57 UTC  

Usually yes

2018-11-15 01:23:17 UTC  

does your belief include the event that the "elite" maintain their power, wealth (one and the same under neoliberal capital) etc., by preventing those competent in the poor to rise?

2018-11-15 01:23:54 UTC  

No, that doesnt happen

2018-11-15 01:24:09 UTC  

the 1% doesnt stay the same as proven by Ben shapiro

2018-11-15 01:24:19 UTC  

people rise through the ranks daily

2018-11-15 01:24:29 UTC  

curious

2018-11-15 01:25:47 UTC  

the 1% doesnt change?

2018-11-15 01:26:05 UTC  

Yes it does

2018-11-15 01:26:33 UTC  

ah, you mean the members of the 1% are in constant flux

2018-11-15 01:26:59 UTC  

they change, someone in the elite today may not be in it tomorrow?

2018-11-15 01:27:28 UTC  

Exactly

2018-11-15 01:29:12 UTC  

how does one leave the 1%

2018-11-15 01:29:15 UTC  

do they die?

2018-11-15 01:29:27 UTC  

do they lose their influence, wealth, power?

2018-11-15 01:30:08 UTC  

Tax sometimes and sometimes someone over takes them and sometimes they lose money too yes

2018-11-15 01:32:17 UTC  

if they were competent enough to rise to the 1%, how could they be so weak as to fall out of it? as a man of "facts and logic", how can you present this idea without recognizing its logical fallacy? Moreover, how could someone competent enough to best 99% of the populace, incentivised to maintain their power and wealth, not use that power wealth and influence (which they have the most of) to maintain their status?

2018-11-15 01:34:16 UTC  

competence doesnt mean perfect. People fall and people rise. Its just how people are.

2018-11-15 01:34:33 UTC  

And they do use their power and wealth to get richer and maintain their status