"The main justification for materialism is that a person doesn't believe in that which doesn't have observable or measurable properties. Hence a materialist doesn't believe in supernatural beings or separate mental substances. And yet for there to be observation in the first place, there has to be perception, and perception is by definition a mental process. The very starting point of the materialist position is a mental event, and the position that "I only believe in that which I can observe" can lead at best (from the materialist viewpoint) to a Kantian Phenomena/Noumena dualism, and at worst to a Berkeleyan "all is in the mind" idealism. Hence materialism refutes itself by the very fact that it requires an idealist starting point."

Wtf does materialism have to do with my question you dumb motherfuckers?

nothing

what does your question have to do with our conversation?

What fucking conversation? You literally just started posting marx quotations

This place is wack

If that is what you comprehend, please stay a fascist

As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has Clerical Socialism with Feudal Socialism.

Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat.

Ok so you cant answer my question? Why can the proletariat join the working class if they are so different?

you arent listening at all

GG

the proles can join the bourgeoisie

Only in order to overthrow an existing ruling class

such as the aristocracy in france

and feudal landlords

hence french revolution

>Why can the proletariat join the working class if they are so different?

what does this even mean?

the proletariat is the modern working class

How am i being exploited if i can chose to change my "class"?

in feudal society it was the serf and peasant

good luck doing that

But this isnt feudalism

I am doing that lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgUtuU9qygk

its very rare that a poor person becomes rich

but it happens

there are rich proletarians

and there are poor bourgeoisie

But doesnt that mean that your idea of class is arbirtary?

the majority of proletarians are poor

it also happens that a prole can become petit bourgeois

the majority of bourgeoisie are rich

It has always been exploitation of the many by the few ever since ancient times

slavemaster and freeman

I think marxists are just misguided

patrician and plebeian

when you refuse to even pay the slightest attention to theory, of course you would think that

Can i ask you a question?

no