Message from @Borzo
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In showing that, under their rule, the modern proletariat never existed, they forget that the modern bourgeoisie is the necessary offspring of their own form of society.
"The main justification for materialism is that a person doesn't believe in that which doesn't have observable or measurable properties. Hence a materialist doesn't believe in supernatural beings or separate mental substances. And yet for there to be observation in the first place, there has to be perception, and perception is by definition a mental process. The very starting point of the materialist position is a mental event, and the position that "I only believe in that which I can observe" can lead at best (from the materialist viewpoint) to a Kantian Phenomena/Noumena dualism, and at worst to a Berkeleyan "all is in the mind" idealism. Hence materialism refutes itself by the very fact that it requires an idealist starting point."
Wtf does materialism have to do with my question you dumb motherfuckers?
nothing
what does your question have to do with our conversation?
What fucking conversation? You literally just started posting marx quotations
This place is wack
If that is what you comprehend, please stay a fascist
As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has Clerical Socialism with Feudal Socialism.
Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat.
Ok so you cant answer my question? Why can the proletariat join the working class if they are so different?
you arent listening at all
GG
the proles can join the bourgeoisie
Only in order to overthrow an existing ruling class
such as the aristocracy in france
and feudal landlords
hence french revolution
>Why can the proletariat join the working class if they are so different?
what does this even mean?
How am i being exploited if i can chose to change my "class"?
in feudal society it was the serf and peasant
good luck doing that
But this isnt feudalism
I am doing that lol
its very rare that a poor person becomes rich
but it happens
there are rich proletarians
and there are poor bourgeoisie
But doesnt that mean that your idea of class is arbirtary?
the majority of proletarians are poor
it also happens that a prole can become petit bourgeois
the majority of bourgeoisie are rich
It has always been exploitation of the many by the few ever since ancient times
slavemaster and freeman
I think marxists are just misguided
patrician and plebeian
when you refuse to even pay the slightest attention to theory, of course you would think that
Can i ask you a question?