> ROME (Reuters) - Almost half of Italians are in favor of having a “strongman” in power who does not care about parliament and elections, a survey showed on Friday, casting doubts on the strength of democracy in a major European nation.

@Monstrous Moonshine
Spain is getting there too..

The rise of 'Vox'

Not good if you ask me

It's much needed and inevitable

Spengler predicted it

Yes. It's like predicting the pendulum will likely swing the other way

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_the_West

> The Second Religiousness appears as a harbinger of the decline of mature Civilization into an ahistorical state. The Second Religiousness occurs concurrently with Caesarism, the final political constitution of Late Civilization. Caesarism is the rise of an authoritarian ruler, a new 'emperor' akin to Caesar or Augustus, taking the reins in reaction to a decline in creativity, ideology and energy after a culture has reached its high point and become a civilization.[16] Both the Second Religiousness and Caesarism demonstrate the lack of youthful strength or creativity that the Early Culture once possessed.

Also, why did fascism get so many supporters in the first place among the Spaniards?

And why are Spaniards still so collectivists still?

@Sq crcl

Oof

Nationalism is inherently collectivist

I always thought that the Spanish had been 'trained' to accept oligarchs

For hundreds and hundreds of years

https://youtu.be/vKb01XLPR7E

This is a good video on the previous concept I linked

Yes. Have you seen Stefan Molyneux's - the death of rome?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qh7rdCYCQ_U

No, will watch soon

Get munchies, it's a loong one. Information heavy.

>Nationalism is inherently collectivist
Nope. If that were true then there couldn't be any individualism.
It's not *inherent* in nationalism, it just so happens that humans tend to form nations by collectivist means rather than individualist means.

Many people throw around the term "inherent" far too much these days, they don't know its meaning.

">Nationalism is inherently collectivist
Nope. If that were true then there couldn't be any individualism.
It's not inherent in nationalism, it just so happens that humans tend to form nations by collectivist means rather than individualist means."

How about : ideas can evolve and what's more, it tends to be a one way street as more freedoms are recognised?

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-a-heedless-and-erratic-old-man-says-north-korea-11882201?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

@Sq crcl Nationalism, despite being pretty much a one-dimensional idea like capitalism, is certainly one of the less defined political ideologies, but I'd say even nationalism can mostly be put in a defined box. Some concepts can vary, but overall the idea shouldn't be able to "evolve" into something that would turn into something new.

That's reserved for multi-dimensional ideas.

Do I sense a partial agreement?

idk, perhaps

I've become allergic to most people's use of the term "inherent".

Ahh, good to know.

Just like people's use of "objective" these days, very similar.

Or "innate" or whatever

All of those concepts are highly misunderstood by a lot of people.

@ETBrooD Can you give an example of a form of "Nationalism" based on Individualism?

Not based on

I criticized your use of "inherent"

Nationalism may or may not lean towards collectivism, but that depends on how it is done by the people making up the ruling class

Putting the interests of the nation will inevitably require that some individual "liberties" are trampled

Most common example is building a wall