God has a face

all that is Good, Plotinus was right

when you figure out Augustine's work on privation, that evil is the privation of Good, then all becomes clear

and even the childlike fantasy of "God sitting on a cloud" is more logical than there being "no God"

i leave for 2 seconds and baiyn has devolved into peak smallbrain smh

or grassroots psy ops i guess

I’m one that thinks god could be real but not in the way we have it figured

Either way I cannot be sure so I don’t put all my eggs in one basket

Like I said tho I think the atheists causing such a rift on western society when contesting Christianity caused more harm then good since it just allowed ideologies like Islam to fill the gap for some people

I don't understand as a atheist myself why people had to fight over stupid shit like they did.

@SufferBuddy what you mean?

It's really not 'stupid shit', it's "The literal way we conceptualize the world, human nature, morality and history"

so atheism really changed nothing

we replace "big smart in the sky" with "big smart someone wrote in a book"

I mean people saying atheist have no morals and all this other shit. I was never super big on all that shit when I was growing up though I was 8 years old when I realized either god didn't exists or he didn't care and therefore did not matter.

Well it did it made people bitter at the previous world view

Well obviously you didn’t have a hand in it

But in the 90s and 2000s atheists did cause a great deal of contention against Christianity

But now they have Islam

It was stupid, people will believe what they want and you cannot take that away from them, you cannot force people to logic.

So did their efforts really spring to anything that great?

we're arguing about which murderous ideology is better

instead of whose murderous church is better

so no

I'm talking more long-term

gotta maintain that K/D tho

not just 90s-2000s

That is what I am saying it was pointless, nothing was gained, or more so that anything that was gained was far overshadowed by the loss.

Exactly they unmoored society too haphazardly

People will naturally rebel to change, especially when you are trying to force a change in ingrained thinking.

Again was the change the atheists got inherianrly good for society?

realizing that is how you redpill out of fascism tbh

In some ways sure

In some ways obviously not

took me pretty much one year to figure that out annoyingly enough

14 yr old me was cringe

I think if people want to do good, moral speeches are the worst way to enact change, look at climate change

Ya. Cause handing politicians money and saying trust them while they give it to a bunch of warlords doesn’t stoke much confidence anything will change.

i wouldnt describe greta as a moral speech though, moreso just reeeeeing

You cannot tell people "You are wrong, dumb, and terrible people" for any reason and have them think of cool, thanks for letting me know I will change.

moral speeches are often charged with an air of self-aggrandizement