I mean people saying atheist have no morals and all this other shit. I was never super big on all that shit when I was growing up though I was 8 years old when I realized either god didn't exists or he didn't care and therefore did not matter.

Well it did it made people bitter at the previous world view

Well obviously you didn’t have a hand in it

But in the 90s and 2000s atheists did cause a great deal of contention against Christianity

But now they have Islam

It was stupid, people will believe what they want and you cannot take that away from them, you cannot force people to logic.

So did their efforts really spring to anything that great?

we're arguing about which murderous ideology is better

instead of whose murderous church is better

so no

I'm talking more long-term

gotta maintain that K/D tho

not just 90s-2000s

That is what I am saying it was pointless, nothing was gained, or more so that anything that was gained was far overshadowed by the loss.

Exactly they unmoored society too haphazardly

People will naturally rebel to change, especially when you are trying to force a change in ingrained thinking.

Again was the change the atheists got inherianrly good for society?

realizing that is how you redpill out of fascism tbh

In some ways sure

In some ways obviously not

took me pretty much one year to figure that out annoyingly enough

14 yr old me was cringe

I think if people want to do good, moral speeches are the worst way to enact change, look at climate change

Ya. Cause handing politicians money and saying trust them while they give it to a bunch of warlords doesn’t stoke much confidence anything will change.

i wouldnt describe greta as a moral speech though, moreso just reeeeeing

You cannot tell people "You are wrong, dumb, and terrible people" for any reason and have them think of cool, thanks for letting me know I will change.

moral speeches are often charged with an air of self-aggrandizement

and self-appeasement

true, but ~~some~~ most people dont realize that still

I mean, hey, I've fallen for that trap before

She is trying to appeal to morality "think of the children" IS a moral argument.

I mean who hasn’t we’re human lol

yep

Just gotta detach as much as you can

strictly true but im using the definition as a quality bar

there are some moral speeches that are high quality

Sad how much you have to actually numb your brain to not be a slave to emotion

Which is what the crazies seem to not do

it's a hard balance to be sure

I can't stand to stroke myself off over other people though, I can't stand shit like that, is dehumanizing at worst at best it's moral grandstanding.

moral argument > moral speech