thats not what i mean by anti-science

And genetics was another catholic discovery (pretty sure don’t quote me)

Oop

>most scientific advances in history were made by Christians

>anti-science

OK

they believe without evidence

that is anti-science

they come to a conclusion then they misrepresent facts to back said conclusion

Science can only prove things about the material world, agree?

they have been hostile towards evolution, big bang cosmology, and radiometric dating

I believe in science without reason

and this hostility does not arise from scientific errors within the theories

they arise from superstition

Most people have faith in science without ever seeing the evidence for themselves

Which is anti-science

oh really? like who

If you look at Catholic teaching specifically it argues that science is one of the most important ways we have to learn about the material world

Atheists

and in what ways

And religion in the ancient times was explicitly supporting the philosophy of the time, which included that form of science

the difference between "faith in science" and "faith in God" is that if you really wanted, you could find empirical evidence backing your "faith in science"

for instance, I know that the star Proximia Centari is 4 lightyears away

I know this because scientists have calculated its distance

Tell me how you arrive at an epistemology for science, using science. @Riley

if I really wanted, I could get a good telescope and observe the parallax of the aformentioned star and calculate its distance

please elaborate

Does science exist qua science?

I still don't understand what you are trying to ask

Prove science is a system of belief and not a method of belief

are we talking about the scientific method?

We are taking about science as you put it

the science i am talking about is coming to conclusions based on observations and experimentation. I would call this a method of belief

Okay

Can you use that method to prove anything outside of the material world?

Well I can't answer that. We don't know if an immaterial world even exists!

nothing exists outside the material world

Can you prove that with science?

everything is a result of underlying material processes

Either one does not exist, or we are not able to use science to observe it

So then why would we use science to justify a belief about something science can't prove?