oh really? like who

If you look at Catholic teaching specifically it argues that science is one of the most important ways we have to learn about the material world

Atheists

and in what ways

And religion in the ancient times was explicitly supporting the philosophy of the time, which included that form of science

the difference between "faith in science" and "faith in God" is that if you really wanted, you could find empirical evidence backing your "faith in science"

for instance, I know that the star Proximia Centari is 4 lightyears away

I know this because scientists have calculated its distance

Tell me how you arrive at an epistemology for science, using science. @Riley

if I really wanted, I could get a good telescope and observe the parallax of the aformentioned star and calculate its distance

please elaborate

Does science exist qua science?

I still don't understand what you are trying to ask

Prove science is a system of belief and not a method of belief

are we talking about the scientific method?

We are taking about science as you put it

the science i am talking about is coming to conclusions based on observations and experimentation. I would call this a method of belief

Okay

Can you use that method to prove anything outside of the material world?

Well I can't answer that. We don't know if an immaterial world even exists!

nothing exists outside the material world

Can you prove that with science?

everything is a result of underlying material processes

Either one does not exist, or we are not able to use science to observe it

So then why would we use science to justify a belief about something science can't prove?

well can you tell me why science cannot make predictions about the immaterial world

then can you tell me how one would know if an immaterial world exists

the immaterial is incoherent

It can't because science can only rely on material observations

And I personally think you can prove it using logic but that's a can of worms I don't have time for

inferring from language twisting

what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

ive heard the logical arguments for God, they are all dumb

my favorite is presuppositionalism lmfao

"God is real because God is real"

checkmate atheists

they call it "epistemological circularity" and they claim its valid reasoning <:xD:595715666129190922>

@el pebble the scientific method is explicitly to "observe" something. Unless you're a psychic and not lying about it I doubt anyone can make a non material observation

Not until they're dead

through material observation we can assert there is no immaterial

because everything is material