Message from @Shalopy

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2019-08-27 17:03:36 UTC  

God be like "yea I know your gonna kill 100 kids, but im gonna make you anyways and then punish you for it"

2019-08-27 17:04:00 UTC  

ecks de

2019-08-27 18:39:31 UTC  

@Maksim I'd say that it isn't in any way valid

2019-08-27 19:55:11 UTC  

God gave us free will but knows all the choices we can make using that free will
Simple as

2019-08-27 20:13:36 UTC  
2019-08-27 20:14:14 UTC  

Its like getting pissed off at a computer for doing what it was programmed to do

2019-08-27 20:14:23 UTC  

God literally knows what we are going to do

2019-08-27 20:14:27 UTC  

yet he still makes us

2019-08-27 20:14:36 UTC  

so if someone kills another person and does not repent

2019-08-27 20:14:40 UTC  

he was destined to do that

2019-08-27 20:14:50 UTC  

and it would be literally impossible for him to make another decision

2019-08-27 20:14:54 UTC  

yet God made him anyways

2019-08-27 20:15:04 UTC  

that is sadistic

2019-08-27 20:17:00 UTC  

Eh

2019-08-27 20:18:03 UTC  

Think of it like (I fucking hate this analogy) Dr Strange in the end(?) of Infinity War the whole "I can see 28373773 futures" ye? Basically God knows everything that *can* happen but humans decide which path to go down yknow

2019-08-27 20:19:18 UTC  

It's less you're locked into one road but rather he just knows where all roads lead

2019-08-27 20:22:22 UTC  

so why make people who are going to hell then?

2019-08-27 20:22:43 UTC  

Unredeemed  human beings are dominated by obstructions; Satan, as the prince of the mortal world, never lets go of what he considers his own unless he is overpowered by a stronger power, i.e. God. When God redeems a person, he redeems the entire person, including the will, which then is liberated to serve God. No one can achieve salvation or redemption through their own willpower—people do not choose between good or evil, because they are naturally dominated by evil, and salvation is simply the product of God unilaterally changing a person's heart and turning them to good ends. Were it not so, God would not be omnipotent and omniscient  and would lack total sovereignty over creation.

2019-08-27 20:23:28 UTC  

I too am schizophrenic @Shalopy

2019-08-27 20:23:49 UTC  

jk

2019-08-27 20:24:26 UTC  

Man is essentially dominated by evil and can only do evil apart from God. With God, Man can do Good.

2019-08-27 20:24:48 UTC  

can they do good without god lol

2019-08-27 20:26:04 UTC  

Bruh everyone *can* go to Hell what do you mean "so why make people who can go to Hell"

2019-08-27 20:26:44 UTC  

oh

2019-08-27 20:26:47 UTC  

who are going to hell

2019-08-27 20:26:48 UTC  

is what i meant

2019-08-27 20:27:18 UTC  

Again,, please explain because like

2019-08-27 20:27:32 UTC  

Anyone can go to Hell if they choose to make actions that lead them there

2019-08-27 20:27:37 UTC  

If God knows that I will go to hell after I die

2019-08-27 20:27:41 UTC  

why would he make me in the first place

2019-08-27 20:27:55 UTC  

God knows you can or can't go to Hell but you're not predestined for either

2019-08-27 20:28:05 UTC  

He knows all the possible paths

2019-08-27 20:28:09 UTC  

You have to choose them

2019-08-27 20:28:11 UTC  

but surly God knows what path i will take

2019-08-27 20:28:28 UTC  

He gave us free will to choose our own path

2019-08-27 20:28:29 UTC  

thats the wrong word

2019-08-27 20:28:39 UTC  

He gave Us free will to sin and reject him

2019-08-27 20:28:40 UTC  

but is it free will if he already knows what we are going to do?

2019-08-27 20:28:45 UTC  

Yes

2019-08-27 20:28:46 UTC  

Those who reject Christ, and those are unrepentant.

2019-08-27 20:28:58 UTC  

Because he knows all we can physically do ever but still let's us make mistakes