Message from @Eoppa
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well I don't know what you mean about "pure act"
i have never seen the argument presented this way lol
Well this was Aristotle and Aquinas' presentation, the passage normally cited in the Summa is just an offhand comment basically compared to the actual theology of it
Pure act is something that fundamentally is the ultimate actualizer of potential, which holds no potential in itself, ie immutability of some sort.
This still seems a lot like the first mover argument
just worded differently
It is
This is the original argument
..
The Prime mover
which in turn
bares a lot of similarity to kalam
No
ok thats why i was confused
Kalam is about per accidens
o
Aquinas is an Aristotelian
Kalam is Arab
well I suppose the next step is to prove that the prime mover is God
Well the next 36 steps are a brief proof to prove it's immutable, eternal, incorporeal, immaterial, perfect, fully good, omnipotent, omniscient, and intelligent
If we really wanted
Let's take immutability, as we already touched on that, pure act cannot change
As it has no potentiality to actualize
God *cannot* do something?
Wrong
Doing is act
o ok continue
Being changed is potency
ah better question
could I not pull something out of my ass
that has all those properties
No?
and how are these properties only limited to the Christian God
sure i could
Well it excludes Hinduism, and all polytheistic religions
Any religion like pagans who think the Gods are corporeal or material
But at this point you cannot be an atheist
So far all you established is that there is a pure act
And it's necessary ramifications
Immutability, unity, etc