@Riley but that morality is completely arbitrary.

@The Desert Fox V they evolved from simple social skills

I was born with them

@Riley autistic people have a very distorted perception of sociality and the nature of man compared to normal people, so should our morals change for the mentally ill for example? Should we praise shooters as good?

If you say morals are what we have an aversion to, and are connected to nothing else, you are admitting what we are saying.

Existentialist explanations of morals are intrinsically nihilistic

I don't get why it's so hard for atheists to admit, even when they themselves are subjectivists.

uhh why would they change?

Exactly... if you can derive objectivity from evolution, then it wouldn't change, but it does by definition

You simply cannot derive morals under a materialist or existential framework

ok?

i don't know what your trying to say lmao

There is no atheistic argument against pedophilia, it's simply something you must train yourself to tolerate, which isn't hard granted the history of the pornography industry. Even just normal porn is inhumane and degenerate.

You keep saying someone can be "moral" (which implies something outside of the person) and an atheist at the same time, atheism is inherently nihilistic

```There is no atheistic argument against pedophilia```

Wtf?!

A child can't consent

So? Why does consent matter to us if it doesn't underly a real universal ethical framework?

Consent didn't matter to the Greeks

The golden rule. Do on to others as you want others to do to you. I know rape is wrong because I don't want to be raped.

Why should we follow that rule?

It's a good rule to avoid abuse by others or abusing others

If I go to China and preach many of these doctrines I will be sent to reeducation camps, should we submit to the state then rather than oppose these? Is that moral?

If morality is only tied to the ego, once again there is no argument against pedophilia

I mean, you have no choice but to submit to the state

But I don't think that law is moral

From my subjective morality

You don't think pro pedophile laws are moral because you have been programmed by a Christian mindset, we don't create our own morals, we inherit them. If you lived in Ancient Greece pedophilia wouldn't be a moral problem.

I would rather die a martyr than submit to China

If you had no inherited aversion to pedophilia, pornography, rape, etc it wouldn't be a problem.

And I know you all don't care about the morality behind CP and you are only saving face because many females in normal pornography don't consent to it yet you all will watch it.

In conclusion, atheism is pro pedophilia, and execute porn producers

Yeah, tbh I don't the golden rule is that good because if I was a criminal I would like not to be punished for a crime so therefore according to the golden rule people shouldn't be punished. It's hard to come up with one good moral system as an atheist.
But I don't believe that there is no "atheistic" argument against pedophilia lol

You don't need God to believe it is wrong

It's not that it's hard to come up with an overarching moral system, that would imply there are intrinsic goals to begin with. It is *impossible* to bridge the is-ought gap in the existentialist framework.

The closest thing would be absurdism, which states we should pretend to have morals for those dopamine releases, but that's how pedophiles get off

There is no atheistic argument against pedophilia because from a pure evolutionary perspective there is nothing wrong with it.

You absolutely need to be religious to have intrinsic morals.

Uh

To believe in objective moral truth does not require belief in god, even among educated folk