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2019-10-01 08:29:27 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

um

2019-10-01 08:29:34 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

Is there only one mod on this server

2019-10-01 08:31:07 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

K good ioi, why is there only one online

2019-10-01 08:39:25 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

No I am not

2019-10-01 08:39:28 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

Gen Z

2019-10-01 08:41:18 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

back to reddit I go

2019-10-01 08:41:21 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

Where the old people at

2019-10-01 08:41:33 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

gotta go to those in person meetings ioi

2019-10-02 04:16:58 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

Quit corking

2019-10-02 04:17:03 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

Ya No-J

2019-10-02 04:18:04 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

Stop hatfishing, baldie

2019-10-02 04:20:06 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

I'm sad

2019-10-02 04:30:45 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

yeah, I'm a little confused

2019-10-02 04:31:37 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Actually, it mighty kind of make sense; it forces them to increase electric prices, while giving you the resources needed to pay those increased costs

2019-10-02 04:34:04 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

The summary seems accurate, but it isn't explicit or well explained in the notification

2019-10-02 04:35:09 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

@swiu no, it looks more like you're given free money, which is taken from electric companies, and you can put towards your electric bill

2019-10-02 04:35:44 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It increases the cost of these bills, without reducing your ability to pay them if willing.

2019-10-02 04:37:39 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

"The credit on the bill is your share of payments from the states program"

2019-10-02 04:39:24 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I mean, the language is theoretically ambiguous, but it would be seriously misleading if it meant you're being charged further

2019-10-02 04:40:07 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Honestly, it's a pretty crap description of the program

2019-10-02 04:40:30 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Possibly as part of an effort to sabotage the program, or just due to incompetence

2019-10-02 04:41:08 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Yangs policy is more nuanced than taking your money and giving it all back

2019-10-02 04:41:23 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

And this California policy actually sounds like a very smart solution

2019-10-02 04:41:46 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

So, they take $ from electric company, and give it to you.

2019-10-02 04:42:02 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

This forces E company to charge that much more

2019-10-02 04:42:22 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

You now have a more expensive electric bill, but also the ability to pay it

2019-10-02 04:42:49 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

You're thus less likely to but as much E, but still able to afford just as much E as before

2019-10-02 04:43:48 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It's a way to raise electric bills without putting many people in a position where they can't pay their electric bill

2019-10-02 04:44:19 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Theoretically, it raises the electric bills for even the poorest californias, but gives them the money to pay for what they were consuming/ would theoretical consume or some such

2019-10-02 04:44:40 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

They can now choose: do I buy the now more expensive electricity, or do I spend this extra money on something else?

2019-10-02 04:45:40 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

People will act as though the electricity costs more, because it does, but will be still be able to afford it, because they're richer

2019-10-02 04:46:34 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

swiu, if you continue to buy electricity as before, depending on the cash they give you and the cost increase, there may be 0 change for you

2019-10-02 04:46:59 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

However, you now have an incentive to buy less electricity

2019-10-02 04:47:06 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Because the price has been increased

2019-10-02 04:47:41 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Right, but you get cash to account for that

2019-10-02 04:47:59 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Exactly, it costs more, but they give you money roughly equal to the difference

2019-10-02 04:49:26 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It only helps people who choose to buy less electricity, and it actively hurts people who choose to buy more

2019-10-02 04:49:40 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Though it's not 0 sum in that regard

2019-10-02 04:49:54 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It could help people who buy less, even if nobody buys more

2019-10-02 04:52:39 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Here's an example: My bill was 100$ a month for 10electricity units. Now, it is 125$ a month for 10 electricity units, but the government gives me 25$. If I drop down to 8 electricity units, I'm now paying 100$ and getting 25$. so my price per electricity unit is $9.375

2019-10-02 04:53:17 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It's like how you get charged less per watt hour when you consume less energy

2019-10-02 04:53:27 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Or get charged less when you consume less water

2019-10-02 04:54:03 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Definitely, but the principle is sound

2019-10-02 04:54:33 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

The system could definitely get people of diverse economic situations to buy less electricity, without making it less affordable

2019-10-02 04:55:42 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

They basically charge the companies for their use of the shared environment as a dumping ground, but then give that money to consumers to ensure people can still afford electricity.

2019-10-02 04:56:09 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Either way, use of the atmosphere should no longer be free, as is no longer beyond our ability to completely consume / debiltate

2019-10-02 04:58:18 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Swiu, the plan counts on them increasing prices

2019-10-02 04:58:27 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It wont work if they don't

2019-10-02 05:01:35 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Yeah, but we can see that the program follows a sophisticated archetype, and if done right could seriously reduce energy consumption and pollution

2019-10-02 05:03:33 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Uh

2019-10-02 05:04:59 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I mean, this seems based on the carbon tax related ideas. They charge the electricity company a carbon tax, (via licensing due to need for emission checks), and then give that tax money to electricity consumers, to do with as they please.

2019-10-02 05:06:46 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

...? I'm not seeing the problem here

2019-10-02 05:06:57 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

This sounds like pretty sound modern economic practice

2019-10-02 05:08:00 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Can you elaborate on your opinion?

2019-10-02 05:08:17 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I'm confused

2019-10-02 05:08:48 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I just don't really get what you mean

2019-10-02 05:09:05 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

As far as I can tell this new policy sounds pretty good in the abstract

2019-10-02 05:10:01 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Ok

2019-10-02 05:15:19 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Here's my counter example

2019-10-02 05:15:26 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

My bill was 100$ a month for 10electricity units. Now, it is 125$ a month for 10 electricity units, but the government gives me 25$. If I drop down to 8 electricity units, I'm now paying 100$ and getting 25$. so my price per electricity unit is $9.375

2019-10-02 05:16:19 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It creates a situation in which, electricity costs less for people who buy below the amount the subsidy keeps cost neutral

2019-10-02 05:16:43 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Eh

2019-10-02 05:16:49 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Then people will just buy less

2019-10-02 05:17:27 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Keep in mind utilities companies are monopolistic and we already have systems in place to deal with that

2019-10-02 05:18:21 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It increases the economic incentive for buying less. The long term effects, do obviously depend on how the price reacts beyond accommodating for the carbon tax

2019-10-02 05:19:43 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

As less power is consumed, the economy of scale advantages of power production will decline

2019-10-02 05:21:35 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Well, not exactly

2019-10-02 05:22:14 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

The cost you pay doubles, but the cost of your consumption (per unit) to the system remained mostly the same

2019-10-02 05:22:52 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I'm talking environmental cost

2019-10-02 05:23:30 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

In any case, it's likely that there is some serious bullshit going on in California's electrical system

2019-10-02 05:25:14 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

To be fair, you need to look at the cost achieving of carbon neutrality / tolerability, how much would that increase the cost?

2019-10-02 05:26:55 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

the show Chernobyl makes nuclear power seem simultaneously horrific when it goes wrong, and very unlikely to go wrong

2019-10-02 05:28:05 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I mean, 4x cost definitely feels stupid unless there are subsidies in texas

2019-10-02 05:28:43 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I feel like you can achieve carbon neutrality with something more like 2-3x the cost

2019-10-02 05:29:08 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

tbf, when I lived in texas there were a ton of power outages

2019-10-02 05:29:33 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

^

2019-10-02 05:31:23 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Oh my god, Fukushima event was ratchet aff

2019-10-02 05:37:47 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

"Atomic Energy"

2019-10-02 05:38:10 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It also sounds cool though

2019-10-02 05:38:16 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Nuclear doesn't sound cool

2019-10-02 05:38:39 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

||Fission generators||

2019-10-02 05:38:51 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

hahahahhahahaha that phonetic

2019-10-02 05:40:50 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Current nuclear reactors use fission chain reactions, wasn't sure how serious you were being when you talked about calling them fusion reactors

2019-10-02 05:43:57 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

thorium reactors xD

2019-10-02 05:48:11 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Thorium sounds lit aff

2019-10-02 05:50:11 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

"You deserve to look on the outside, the way you feel on the inside. You deserve this sleeve." Altered Carbon entitlement

2019-10-02 05:50:38 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Please don't push me down

2019-10-02 05:51:26 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

||I have the progressive and primitivism roles||

2019-10-02 05:51:59 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

idk, D.I.D.? I'll find a way

2019-10-02 05:52:57 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

*I'm not saying we should burn it all down, but ||we should burn it all down||*

2019-10-02 05:53:13 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

yeet

2019-10-02 05:53:24 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I'm c o n f l i c t e d

2019-10-02 05:53:48 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

They didn't have a role for that

2019-10-02 05:53:55 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

So I just picked the ones that sound interesting

2019-10-02 05:54:26 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Those both sound great. I'll have both.

2019-10-02 05:54:36 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

hah

2019-10-02 05:55:00 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Immortality isn't the goal

2019-10-02 05:55:12 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Self modification privileges are

2019-10-02 05:55:29 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I only yearn for certain elements of primitive society

2019-10-02 05:55:43 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I mean, is it even possible

2019-10-02 05:55:59 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Like, billions, trillions, septillions of septillions

2019-10-02 05:56:07 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

But, *immortal*?

2019-10-02 05:56:49 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Idk, how much can I change without being considered dead?

2019-10-02 05:56:57 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

What does the inability to die really mean?

2019-10-02 06:02:24 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

haven't watched anime in a while, but exaggeration can be hillarious

2019-10-02 06:03:09 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

tell them to watch The Politician on netflix

2019-10-02 06:03:25 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

It's a great mix of realism and exaggeration based absurdist humor

2019-10-02 06:03:57 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

hahaha

2019-10-02 06:04:33 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Yeah, I'm only 20 and need another 100,000 hours of reprogramming before I can be a wage slave

2019-10-02 06:04:53 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Honestly

2019-10-02 06:05:00 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

The value of time is going to go way up

2019-10-02 06:05:35 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

So requiring a 100,000 hours to reprogram would mean you're doing a lot of processing and making decisions about what to learn, or some likely abnormal circ

2019-10-02 06:06:40 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Oh, don't worry, we're going to handle technology great

2019-10-02 06:07:11 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I mean, look, we've already achieved globalism and eliminated/mitigated zero sum games / dangerous abilities

2019-10-02 06:07:57 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

haha

2019-10-02 06:08:10 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Yeah, can't wait for next magnitude of space travel speed

2019-10-02 06:08:26 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

We need some lit accelerators

2019-10-02 06:08:44 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I mean, a little

2019-10-02 06:08:51 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

haha

2019-10-02 06:10:10 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Probably like a difference of less than 2hrs

2019-10-02 06:10:28 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Actually, could be a lot more

2019-10-02 06:12:12 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Time travels faster on mars, relative to earth time passage

2019-10-02 06:14:02 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

According to tyson, sounds wrong

2019-10-02 06:14:09 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Doing more research

2019-10-02 06:17:42 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Uh, the difference in time is accounted for when you try to match the velocity of the object / go into the gravity well

2019-10-02 06:18:04 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

To an extent

2019-10-02 06:18:11 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Fk, I need to think and research

2019-10-02 06:31:44 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

||I'm a philosopher, philanderer, and ml, AI, & symbolic system enthusiast||

2019-10-02 06:32:00 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

||AKA I'm unemployed, and unemployable||

2019-10-02 06:32:21 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I was doing cs too, was pretty good at it, but couldn't stand all that desktime

2019-10-02 06:34:03 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

ayoo

2019-10-02 06:34:35 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I'm trash

2019-10-02 06:34:57 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Quick, let's make this political

2019-10-02 06:36:18 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Uh, not I

2019-10-02 06:36:27 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

If I was motivated by money, wouldn't I have some...

2019-10-02 06:38:14 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

I have those

2019-10-02 06:40:27 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

mmm

2019-10-02 06:40:45 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

ah, I like this better

2019-10-02 17:00:07 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

Hello

2019-10-02 17:00:43 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

Ok, so

2019-10-02 17:00:50 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

If I'm tryna design a society

2019-10-02 17:01:10 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

What system of conflict resolution should be put in place?

2019-10-02 17:01:27 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

And what system should their be for managing shared resources?

2019-10-02 17:01:36 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

DM me if you want to discuss

2019-10-02 17:01:41 UTC [Blue Politics #general-chat]  

This channel has 2 many trolls

2019-10-12 12:09:57 UTC [The Right Cafe #checkpoint]  

```
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Socialist who supports high market freedom and decentralization of authority+states rights, primarily Consequentialist with Deontological elements.
Learn about debate, philosophy, and politics.
Prefer not to answer
California
Atheist - Anti-theist
Clear Quid Pro Quo, concerning violation of establish norm.
```

2019-10-12 12:13:30 UTC [The Right Cafe #checkpoint]  

<@&615448280268144642>

2019-10-13 16:29:20 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

Serious question, why are satanism and anti-ukranian sentiments the only automatic ban behaviors?

2019-10-13 16:30:45 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Ayy

2019-10-13 16:30:56 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

So, what's this server generally like?

2019-10-15 08:58:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

... very clearly a Hammer and Sickle

2019-10-15 11:04:08 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

What

2019-10-15 11:04:13 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

I can't change my nickname

2019-10-15 11:04:14 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

Rip that

2019-10-15 18:40:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Uh

2019-10-15 18:41:11 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

To believe in objective moral truth does not require belief in god, even among educated folk

2019-10-15 18:41:32 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

See platonism, kantian ethics, utilitarianism

2019-10-15 18:43:07 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Meanwhile, as an atheist & moral sentimentalist, I believe pedophilia is subjectively / subjectsively wrong and should be forbidden.

2019-10-15 18:46:12 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I'm unclear on what you mean by intrinsic morals

2019-10-15 18:54:07 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Ah, ok

2019-10-15 18:54:22 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Not really clear on existentialist or materialist philosophies, gonna go read up

2019-10-15 18:55:33 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Yeah, I wasn't sure whether it would bc I was unclear on your point; can you clarify what you mean by intrinsic morals?

2019-10-15 18:57:53 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I don't read it that way

2019-10-15 18:58:01 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Intrinsic is a "to what" kind of word

2019-10-15 18:58:18 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Objective morality is a better way to say it imo

2019-10-15 18:58:47 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Morality can be intrinsic without being objective

2019-10-15 18:59:09 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

*intrinsic to the subject*

2019-10-15 18:59:57 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I disagree

2019-10-15 19:00:26 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I mean, morality can be intrinsic to the self; to some you cease to be you when your morality changes in certain ways

2019-10-15 19:00:57 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Or intrinsic to the holder of a character trait

2019-10-15 19:01:11 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I understand that the phrase has a distinct definition

2019-10-15 19:01:35 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

But my point is it isn't equal to intrinsic + morality

2019-10-15 19:02:10 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

So, my version fo the phrase is also valid

2019-10-15 19:02:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

And I do think considering intrinsic subjective ethics is worthwhile

2019-10-15 19:03:05 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

But that's very different from what I'm doing

2019-10-15 19:03:18 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I'm taking the meaning of the two words, to make a more literal version of the phrase

2019-10-15 19:04:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Well, I'm taking the meaning of the words and addressing them, rather than just the meaning of the phrase

2019-10-15 19:05:12 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Telling me I can't use intrinsic literally, is kinda weird

2019-10-15 19:06:09 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I'm not arguing with your usage, I'm defending my usage of the component words to form a similiar phrase of distinct meaning.

2019-10-15 19:06:53 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

And pointing out how the phrase as you used it might mislead some people, and be ambiguous to others, the philosophic common term or not

2019-10-15 19:08:03 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Eoppa, non literal readings are inherently ambiguous as words / phrases have literal meanings

2019-10-15 19:08:31 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I accept your usage as a figure of speach

2019-10-15 19:09:02 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

But the common usage of the phrase is distinct from the common usage of the words

2019-10-15 19:09:10 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

and the common process for combining words

2019-10-15 19:09:32 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I think there is serious hazard to rejecting that altertate literal interpretation / usage of the words

2019-10-15 19:10:01 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

But something can be intrinsic to the self

2019-10-15 19:10:23 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

objective is no longer used as a synonym to intrinsic afaik

2019-10-15 19:10:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Um, the phrase is ambiguous

2019-10-15 19:10:56 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

As to which interpretation to use

2019-10-15 19:11:08 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

One may be more common, but it is also less accessible

2019-10-15 19:11:39 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

To philosophers who are used to using an abbreviation as a standin

2019-10-15 19:11:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

google intrinsic then google morality

2019-10-15 19:13:04 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Dude, intrinsic morality is clearly a shorthand, with a meaning that isn't a literal combination of those two words

2019-10-15 19:14:13 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Yeah, intrinsic to reality, not merely intrinsic to 'unspecified'

2019-10-15 19:14:27 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

There's a **big** difference

2019-10-15 19:14:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I choose to read that phrase as involving an omission

2019-10-15 19:15:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

So that I can use the familiar meanings of the words involved.

2019-10-15 19:15:53 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Um, what

2019-10-15 19:16:08 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

"Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent."

2019-10-15 19:16:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

And...?

2019-10-15 19:17:09 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Why do you need this phrase to be a literal combination of the two words?

2019-10-15 19:17:20 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Is it really such a big concession?

2019-10-15 19:17:39 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Well, I made an argument that it is

2019-10-15 19:17:47 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

You made one that it isn't, and I'm really not buying it.

2019-10-15 19:18:12 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Again;

2019-10-15 19:18:17 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent. (google)

2019-10-15 19:18:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Look at the webster page

2019-10-15 19:19:55 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

My model allows for both versions of the phrase to make sense, by explaining your version as involving an implicit omission.

2019-10-15 19:20:34 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

So, from websters intrinsic

2019-10-15 19:20:39 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

And morality

2019-10-15 19:21:08 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

You described an argument for those definitions leading to "morality intrinsic to reality"

2019-10-15 19:21:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

It is to some people who are uneducated, but we don't worry about that because both versions are so widely used, and are also closely related.

2019-10-15 19:22:33 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Arguably, the word can be taken to have the same meaning in both cases, and the differences explained with omission

2019-10-15 19:23:08 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

The danger here is people are at greater risk of being mislead

2019-10-15 19:23:27 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

My interpretation is likely the interpretation of the common man

2019-10-15 19:23:41 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

You shouldn't use the intelligence of others as a crutch, rely on it when necessary

2019-10-15 19:24:08 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Except, my version of the phrase is also valid

2019-10-15 19:24:20 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

You clarfied what you meant, and I accepted that meaning

2019-10-15 19:25:37 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Or they'd ask you for clarification

2019-10-15 19:25:45 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Because they don't assume you're without fault

2019-10-15 19:26:05 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

and / or possibly have a bad internet connection at the moment, ioi

2019-10-15 19:27:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

You clarified your point, I talked about I didn't read it that way, and how I took issue with the language

2019-10-15 19:27:56 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

You then clarified that it was a term of art

2019-10-15 19:28:16 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

And took issue when I tried to use the component words in other ways; morality intrinsic to the subject

2019-10-15 19:29:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I wanted to address other uses because they were how I intended to make my point

2019-10-15 19:29:59 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

I believe there can be morality intrinsic to the subject, and I believe that language for describing them is permissible and proper.

2019-10-15 19:31:15 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Why is whether I can something the way I choose to say it immaterial?

2019-10-15 19:32:30 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

The point I wanted to make was primarily about intrinsic subjective morality and language usage solutions

2019-10-15 19:33:06 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Intrinsic subjective morality is distinct from non-intrinsic subjective morality

2019-10-15 19:33:30 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

To your end, not to mine.

2019-10-15 19:34:36 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

TBF, one goal of mine was to question why objective morality has value, and why objective morality is necessary to reject pedophillia

2019-10-15 19:39:10 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Ah, I see the distinction "There is no *atheistic* argument against pedophilia because from a pure evolutionary perspective there is nothing wrong with it."

2019-10-15 19:39:30 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

tbf that's pretty ambiguous to someone who hasn't read certain texts

2019-10-15 19:39:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Even if they wikipediad it or dictionaried it

2019-10-15 19:40:10 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

Yeah, but I'm one of those people and I read it

2019-10-15 19:40:32 UTC [The Right Cafe #religion]  

ya, cya ❀

2019-10-15 22:19:30 UTC [The Right Cafe #aesthetic]  

how sfw does this need to be

2019-10-17 15:59:46 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Disarmament treaties sound lit

2019-10-17 16:01:31 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

A fundamental role of government is services that cannot be gotten more effectively on a well-free market.

2019-10-19 06:51:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

Where is this test

2019-10-19 21:15:24 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

There’s a big difference between nationalistic and globalistic societies, this isn’t a thing to form a quick, uneducated opinion on.

2019-10-19 22:56:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

How about requiring phone # to join?

2019-10-22 00:09:31 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

My main issue with capitalism is the prevalence of over-incentives

2019-10-22 00:09:49 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

But that can only really be solved with globalism

2019-10-22 00:11:47 UTC [Blue Politics #serious-discussion]  

Socialism only works if it increases the collective wealth, which necessitates it being limited

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