prove that the prime mover is a god

i could use this argument to justify the existence of...well...just about anything

In the world, we can see that at least some things are changing. Whatever is changing is being changed by something else. If that by which it is changing is itself changed, then it too is being changed by something else. But this chain cannot be infinitely long, so there must be something that causes change without itself changing. This everyone understands to be the ~~nine~~ eight divines.

Would the argument really work with a set of things?

wat

like do you get the point im trying to make

Yes.

what i want to know is how one gets from

"There must have been a first cause"

to

"therefore, god"

@Maksim thoughts?

Still reading up on all 5 points

Give me a few

fun fact: this use to be my favorite argument when i was a catholic

Eight divines?

yes

You don't count Talos?

Shame.

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so how did you rule out the big bang as the first cause

and every other diety

What caused the big bang, unless you assume the Big Bang is an absolute first

Essentially saying that the Big Bang is a God

idk what caused it, or if it even had a cause

if it had no cause then its the prime mover

How would it have no cause though @Riley?

idk

Atoms would need to come from somewhere no?

do the laws of causality apply if there is no space or time?

i can't say

im just making a proposition here

i personally don't believe this because there is no evidence for it

Sounds flaky

Ok so what do you think of his argument from contingency

In the world we see things that are possible to be and possible not to be. In other words, perishable things. But if everything were contingent and thus capable of going out of existence, then, nothing would exist now. But things clearly do exist now. Therefore, there must be something that is imperishable: a necessary being. This everyone understands to be God

"this everyone understands to be god"

how did you determine that?

this has the same problem

All humans throughout history have understood or believed that a god created the universe, up till recently

Hence the last sentence