Message from @Riley
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"therefore God"
Read it
"there must be a first cause, therefore the first cause is god <:brainlet:618283060789772328>"
Explaination - Aquinas uses the term "motion" in his argument, but by this he understands any kind of "change", more specifically a transit from potentiality to actuality.[14] (For example, a puddle growing to be larger would be counted inside the boundaries of Aquinas' usage.) Since a potential does not yet exist, it cannot cause itself to exist and can therefore only be brought into existence by something already existing.[1]
Are you incapable of understanding logical arguments?
i understand the argument
so lets assume that i agree
there must have been a first cause
alright
a prime mover
i agree
so
prove that the prime mover is a god
i could use this argument to justify the existence of...well...just about anything
In the world, we can see that at least some things are changing. Whatever is changing is being changed by something else. If that by which it is changing is itself changed, then it too is being changed by something else. But this chain cannot be infinitely long, so there must be something that causes change without itself changing. This everyone understands to be the ~~nine~~ eight divines.
Would the argument really work with a set of things?
wat
like do you get the point im trying to make
Yes.
what i want to know is how one gets from
to
"therefore, god"
Still reading up on all 5 points
Give me a few
fun fact: this use to be my favorite argument when i was a catholic
Eight divines?
yes
You don't count Talos?
Shame.
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so how did you rule out the big bang as the first cause
and every other diety
What caused the big bang, unless you assume the Big Bang is an absolute first
Essentially saying that the Big Bang is a God
idk what caused it, or if it even had a cause
if it had no cause then its the prime mover
How would it have no cause though @Riley?
idk
Atoms would need to come from somewhere no?