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so how did you rule out the big bang as the first cause

and every other diety

What caused the big bang, unless you assume the Big Bang is an absolute first

Essentially saying that the Big Bang is a God

idk what caused it, or if it even had a cause

if it had no cause then its the prime mover

How would it have no cause though @Riley?

idk

Atoms would need to come from somewhere no?

do the laws of causality apply if there is no space or time?

i can't say

im just making a proposition here

i personally don't believe this because there is no evidence for it

Sounds flaky

Ok so what do you think of his argument from contingency

In the world we see things that are possible to be and possible not to be. In other words, perishable things. But if everything were contingent and thus capable of going out of existence, then, nothing would exist now. But things clearly do exist now. Therefore, there must be something that is imperishable: a necessary being. This everyone understands to be God

"this everyone understands to be god"

how did you determine that?

this has the same problem

All humans throughout history have understood or believed that a god created the universe, up till recently

Hence the last sentence

not really, there is actually a tribe in the Amazon with no concept of a god

they have no religion

Cite your source

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_people

God has revealed himself to every single human in history

*"According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god,[9] and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made.[6] However, they do believe in spirits that can sometimes take on the shape of things in the environment. These spirits can be jaguars, trees, or other visible, tangible things including people.[5](pp112,134–142) Everett reported one incident where the Pirahã said that “Xigagaí, one of the beings that lives above the clouds, was standing on a beach yelling at us, telling us that he would kill us if we go into the jungle.” Everett and his daughter could see nothing and yet the Pirahã insisted that Xigagaí was still on the beach.[5](ppxvi-xvii)"*

ok, well tell god that he forgot a few people

Ironic. They wouldn't believe in the big bang either

Cool people

perhaps not

though unlike god, the big bang has evidence

There's only like 800 of them

"I don't personally expirence it so it's false"

Big bang btfo

my point was that there are people with no concept of a god

thats it

lol

@Riley the Big bang is a retarded theory. It's an event with no named cause

the big bang theory doesnt describe a cause