Message from @Riley
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What caused the big bang, unless you assume the Big Bang is an absolute first
Essentially saying that the Big Bang is a God
idk what caused it, or if it even had a cause
if it had no cause then its the prime mover
How would it have no cause though @Riley?
idk
Atoms would need to come from somewhere no?
do the laws of causality apply if there is no space or time?
i can't say
im just making a proposition here
i personally don't believe this because there is no evidence for it
Sounds flaky
Ok so what do you think of his argument from contingency
In the world we see things that are possible to be and possible not to be. In other words, perishable things. But if everything were contingent and thus capable of going out of existence, then, nothing would exist now. But things clearly do exist now. Therefore, there must be something that is imperishable: a necessary being. This everyone understands to be God
"this everyone understands to be god"
how did you determine that?
this has the same problem
All humans throughout history have understood or believed that a god created the universe, up till recently
Hence the last sentence
not really, there is actually a tribe in the Amazon with no concept of a god
Cite your source
God has revealed himself to every single human in history
*"According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god,[9] and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made.[6] However, they do believe in spirits that can sometimes take on the shape of things in the environment. These spirits can be jaguars, trees, or other visible, tangible things including people.[5](pp112,134–142) Everett reported one incident where the Pirahã said that “Xigagaí, one of the beings that lives above the clouds, was standing on a beach yelling at us, telling us that he would kill us if we go into the jungle.” Everett and his daughter could see nothing and yet the Pirahã insisted that Xigagaí was still on the beach.[5](ppxvi-xvii)"*
ok, well tell god that he forgot a few people
Ironic. They wouldn't believe in the big bang either
Cool people
perhaps not
though unlike god, the big bang has evidence
There's only like 800 of them
"I don't personally expirence it so it's false"
Big bang btfo
my point was that there are people with no concept of a god
thats it
lol
@Riley the Big bang is a retarded theory. It's an event with no named cause
the big bang theory doesnt describe a cause
It should
it simply describes the expansion of the unvierse
We see things in the world that vary in degrees of goodness, truth, nobility, etc. For example, well-drawn circles are better than poorly drawn ones, healthy animals are better than sick animals. Moreover, some substances are better than others, since living things are better than non-living things, and animals are better than plants, in testimony of which no one would choose to lose their senses for the sake of having the longevity of a tree. But judging something as being "more" or "less" implies some standard against which it is being judged. For example in a room full of people of varying heights, at least one must be tallest. Therefore, there is something which is best and most true, and most a being, etc. Aquinas then adds the premise: what is most in a genus is the cause of all else in that genus. From this he deduces that there exists some most-good being which causes goodness in all else, and this everyone understands to be God.