i dont have my KJV bible with me rn anyway so im not going to look them up either too lazy

You can just type the verse in chat and write KJV at the end @Veraic

oh neat

Galatians 3:7 KJV

Titus 1:14 KJV

bruh

thats kinda cool

It is

Titus 1:10-11 KJV

Christianity's alright.

Certainly beneficial and good.

@Maksim so back to the problem of last night

All you said was p1 and p2 and that they don’t contradict

P1 and p2 contradicting wasn’t even in question

The problem is. I’m the Christian view it’s believed that god can not be incomplete, yet having desires defacto means you are incomplete, being complete would mean not having desires. Similarly having desires means you’re not pure actualization, Because desires are potential

That’s why your response was a dodge

Basically all of the responses boiled down to: god can’t be imperfect and yes god has will but it’s not will for himself, it’s will for us! Or god can’t be imperfect and god has will(which is just reiterating the logical problem at hand

@Veraic theres your explanation. next time youre having a serious conversation about suicide in the middle of any of our conversations, ill assume you cant explain. >.>

@Joywolf No. We already explained it thrice, but you fail to understand our concepts. God's desires are for us to make the right choice - i.e outside of his (voluntary) control. He has decided that we should have free will, and gave us the choice. He wants us to make the right choice, he is utterly complete, WE are not and he wants us to be

I don't understand why it's so hard for you to grasp this concept

its not outside of him. its *his* desire, how can it be his desire and outside of him. its not *my* desire that i should make the "right choice"

I don't understand why it's so hard for you to grasp this concept

@Maksim

@Joywolf It's his desire and it is outside of him

That is the nature of being omnipotent

lol its still his desire

you keep dodging

No, it's omnipotence

It is like a quantum particle

desire isnt omnipotence

It can be in 2 states at once

Stop thinking in binary

Either/or's

desire is a state that some one can be either in or out of accord with. it doesnt matter if they are in or out of accord with it. Having the potentiality to be in or out of accord with it means necessarily that theres potentiality

this applies for quantum particles as well. even if you havent chosen a state, the potential to be in a state means necessarily you have potentiality

God has a desire that is external

The want for *us* to make the right choice

And he has decided to not force us