Message from @Lars Killed Napster

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2019-07-09 11:35:01 UTC  

Atheists have no objective morality and so are naturally inclined to decadence because they have no god to tell them no

2019-07-09 11:35:21 UTC  

If we let this kind of ideology spread our entire world will look like the goddamn Ptolemies

2019-07-09 11:36:23 UTC  

@Deleted User What if they just follow morality on their own terms and it alligns with the morality of a christian or any other religion.

Why do they need a master to tell then what is right and wrong?

2019-07-09 13:06:47 UTC  

Aligning morality with that of other religions while technically still being independent of that religion is fine
Without a concrete sense of morality we’ll end up jumping further and further down a worse and worse path

2019-07-09 13:06:56 UTC  

Moral relativism means death for humanity

2019-07-09 14:22:50 UTC  

Atheism is really a spectrum. There are those who dont believe in a god but believe in an uncaused cause, and there are those who just dont believe in natta.

I think either of which is fine and yes it could align with right-wing views but I personally believe it aligns more with better-wing views

2019-07-09 14:23:02 UTC  

multiple christian UTubers have made some solid cases that atheists cannot be moral unless they simply accept and function using the morality of well christians

2019-07-09 14:23:33 UTC  

as is generally the case, most even willa rgue moral relativism only then to run into absolutes such as 'slavery is wrong, and even if we return to it in the future we may return to somethign that is immoral"

2019-07-09 14:23:42 UTC  

arguing moral absolutes all of a sudden

2019-07-09 14:26:18 UTC  

morality, should we consider it objective, is a starting point and well in general an entire argument for gods existence. Objective morality is very much so in opposition to the atheist worldview.

Moral relativism is quite litrally a death for humanity as Konugh said. Its not even reverting back to darker times but rather establishign tha tmorality ultimately is just something that is a figment of our imagination and that ultimately changes on a whim.

There are however more reasonable and less reasonable atheists, most reasonable fall under the agnostic atheist tag since they often aknowledge and refuse to make their position one that is absolute aknowledging their philosophical shortcomings but choosing to trust it over other methods.

2019-07-09 14:27:18 UTC  

As far as right wing, I dont think so, the right wing is also a spiritual movement in a way, one that is aims for vitrue, morality, and holds these to be objective, it also holds things to be sacred. The right wing to some extent is fundumentally spiritual if not outright religious.

2019-07-09 15:25:36 UTC  

Morality can never be objective

2019-07-09 15:25:48 UTC  

even if the bible is right

2019-07-09 15:26:30 UTC  

morality should be based mainly upon hurt and suffering

2019-07-09 15:26:35 UTC  

thats what I think

2019-07-09 15:26:58 UTC  

and even tho its subjective if enough people agree on what I say then we can enforce it upon people

2019-07-09 16:07:23 UTC  

thats then absolute moral relativism, that means that if I and a bigger band of people come, and say "slavery is good" then it is literally good. the axiome of suffering simply means hedonism ie. I do what causes pleasure. And therefore it is good. The reason people agree on morality to any extent is becuse until not too long ago society believe in objective morality as fictated by god. Currently the left is makign pedophilia okay. Soon it might not be immoral at all, given enough people accept it as moral, to diddle little kids.

2019-07-09 16:09:30 UTC  

this then means that fundumentally the question is "does morality exist at all, or not at all?" -> If it exists it must be objective, if it doesnt it is simply a figment of our imagination.

(the axiome of suffering is extremely weak since it permits utterly immoral acts, generally its beyond inconsistent since suffering in and of itself is not a bad thing, or evil and can be a tool for good). But this s just devolving into adiscussion on morality its nature etc. Still fundumentally I do think the right is in essence to some degree spiritual

2019-07-09 16:10:31 UTC  

religious etc. and that this simply puts atheists often at odds with the right, and this in general plays out in trends. Atheists are trypically left leaning or left wing, with a fringe minority that is right wing and evne then they orbit the center never going too far into the right wing

2019-07-09 17:21:31 UTC  

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2019-07-09 17:47:36 UTC  

Atheism and secularism is being pushed by the jews to destroy the modern world. I see know way you can be a nationalistic right winger and also be atheist.

2019-07-09 19:34:33 UTC  

lol

2019-07-09 19:34:41 UTC  

@Lars Killed Napster That in itself is retarded

2019-07-09 19:35:06 UTC  

You can be a nationalist and an atheist xD you dumb fuck

2019-07-09 20:10:27 UTC  

@Husky I see "know" way how you can be correct in that

2019-07-09 20:10:33 UTC  

checkmate gaytheist fags

2019-07-09 20:10:49 UTC  

xD

2019-07-09 20:12:34 UTC  

I became agnostic as I started college, had a brief fall-back on my semi-Christian upbringing, then eventually accepted that I was an atheist in about 2017. I don't feel negatively towards any people who do have faith and I understand faith as a necessary tool in societal cohesion but I don't see myself as ever being religious. I think it's the way my mind is made up and it's also my upbringing that made me the way I am.

2019-07-09 20:13:57 UTC  

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2019-07-09 20:14:29 UTC  

It's hard for me to say what I "think" about atheism because it means different things to different people. I think a not-insignificant amount of atheists, especially the more militant types, are not actually atheists but instead highly discouraged and disaffected Christians who have come to hate humanity, the faith itself, its manifestations in various institutions or history itself and they're lashing out against those who they feel have abused a faith that they fundamentally believe in.

2019-07-09 20:15:01 UTC  

These proto-Christians aren't really atheists because I feel like fundamentally they act and feel in a way that presumes a higher objective morality and life after death, etc.

2019-07-09 20:20:08 UTC  

niggas be revolting against God and calling themselves right wing

2019-07-09 20:22:28 UTC  

>Nationalist

2019-07-09 20:22:43 UTC  

>Supporting Jewish anti nationalist ideology

2019-07-09 20:22:52 UTC  

Cringe and blue pilled

2019-07-09 20:31:50 UTC  

But then we get the pagan fags saying that Christianity is Jewish subversion, limiting ourselves by following a kike on a stick. Meanwhile they both 1. Disrespect their "ancestors" by not partaking in the proper form of pagan rituals following what (((Hollywood))) has told them what it means to be pagan, and 2. They falsely credit achievements of Christian Eurpoeans to that of pagans.

2019-07-09 20:49:16 UTC  

@Crazed Shotgun there was gay shit, polygamy, and even more assholery in paganism than Christianity.

2019-07-09 20:49:24 UTC  

Loki got fucked by a horse man

2019-07-09 20:49:25 UTC  

Big gay

2019-07-09 20:53:03 UTC  

Don't forget the Spartans who literally sodomized every 12 year old boy to "toughen him up." Granted the trauma made them not fear death but Strength through Degeneracy is not strength worth having.

2019-07-09 20:55:38 UTC  

I don't mean to cast too much shade and dislike toward the Spartans, the Idea of every man being trained in the millitary is appealing. Turn the modern young fatherless men into Hardened warriors ready to defend their country.