Religion? Not necessarily but it is harder to answer the question "Why is that good or bad" without religion.

neitzsche was a dumb libtard

he makes me want to disavow the aryan race 😠

Frederick Nietzsche was a man worried about changing times, and he could not resolve his conflict between an Uncaring Population and a supposedly Absent God.

As could be seen in his work Thus Spoke Zarathustra

morality is firmly beyond the scope of science or secular society to even answer, which means we go by very basic rules and feels. As someone already said look to the modern secular west... yeah its becoming evident that religion has a quality to it that fosters morality.

The question is as well a debate between whether or not morality exists, and if it does exist then it is objective and that streamlines right towards god existing, so its easy to see why those outside of religion etc. would claim this weird relativist view (which they are entirely inconsistent on) to build society on, and again, we see where that is leading us

morality is not beyond the scope of science. Human morals evolved as our brains developed over hundreds of thousands of years

many of our morals are rooted within instincts that other animals have!

This is basically as far as I know sam harriss's view on morality, however its just not true. you cannot prove morality within science, you cannot measure it unless you are willing to do inhumane experiments. The issue really becomes evident when you cannot quantify good or bad. You are basically left with utilitarianism

A little late on the point about hellenism, but at least in the ancient greek context morals very much applied. A lot of the mythos involved lessons against hubris, and any attempt at defying fate as an example of Hubris.

I think some of the biggest plays to reinforce these lessons are courtesy of Sophocles.

Antigone involved a woman setting herself up for death not in the act of nobility, but out of pride i.e she deserved to die. Creon would have been the stories tragic figure had he actual killed her, but he wasn't (since direct execution would upset the gods). Then you have the play setting up the death of Oedipus's sons, and of course the prodigal play Oedipus the king.

ok, I'll make a qotd to get the conversation going again

@everyone Daily Question 🔖

-Is morality objective? If not, what exactly is it?

Reality is objective. perception of reality and all that stems from it is subjective

shut the fuck up boomer niggler

Morality itself cannot be objective. Morality is forged from our perception of what is good and bad. For example, we believe murder, in most cases, is immoral and thus bad. But, another culture could of had it so getting murdered is a great honor for some religious reason or whatnot.

but did it?

is there a culture like that?

I get where you are coming from, but there is one topic that all cultures seem to universally revile (unless you are wealthy), and that happens to be incest. Of course you have loopholes both legally, and culturally, but at the end of the day the base concept is reviled. I am aware thats not an argument for objective morality, but it does hint humans can at least have one thing in common.

there are cultures that promote cannibalism, yes, but the core still has similar moral values

murder is wrong

adultery is wrong

etc

According to who?

Is it wrong objectively?

according to literally every culture

yes

They only promote it up to the point diseases begin to ravage the minds of the participant tribes (i.e Papau New Guinea).

Who is in charge of our definition of what is objective moral or immoral then?

God

"God" is an arbitrary term, and thus cannot be used to define objective truth in reality.

Morality is objective

christianity is incompatible with fascism so i dont believe in a god

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Raping and eating a child is objectively immoral

I don't care if some cultures do it

Morality isn't objective or subjective

yikes

In response to wiktor, sure cultures hold up universal values, but it depends on the base which influences them. An islamic civilization is very likely to view adultery (since many believe in the four wives) quite differently.There is a reason even in the argument for freedom of religion it only goes so far. Its one thing to sacrifice animals ala Santeria, but polygamy will never be acceptable in a country like the United States.