If it serves them little purpose and just centralizes power for itself, states can leave

Otherwise you get people like the Chinese President who said he will destroy the bodies of people who try to have states want to leave China, and turn their bones to dust

Shut up libertarian

Thats not a valid argument

Name calling

Extreme Unitarianism is the only way

Political power grows from the barrel of a gun - Mao Zedong

Its just common sense, government is just a tool to make our life better, thats it

Wrong

That is not it's only goal

It is

No

Wym

Explain, stop just making claims then just not explanaing lol

As we can see from the west, better "lives" have led to degenerate behaviors and extreme materialistism

Fucking mobile excuse my typing

The state should be designed to encourage virtue

Degenerate behaviours and materialism is the fault of the society's philosophers, teachers, and parents, not cause of a result of people having better lives

The state's purpose is to encourage and enforce moral values

It's *secondary* purpose is betterment of living standards

Moral values is part of living better lives tho

If better living standards come at the cost of morals than it is not worth it

I never said standard of living tho, I said living better lives

Define better lives

Whatever that entails. If you think morality, then thats also a part of it

Not just one thing

You should've specified that from the start

Sorry

I assumed you meant living standards

No lol

Then I don't think we have much difference - it boils down to how we think is the best way to execute this goal

I promote extreme authoritarianism

And the physical suppression of degenerate thought

inb4 "hurr Durr so u want thought crimes?"

**Yes.** <:Chad:591182354270257170>

Based

East Germany is a very good example of this in terms of the state shifting the culture to promote good virtues. I can't agree with much of what it did, but I can certainly agree with that.

@Siyovaxsh En-sipad-zid-ana

Stronger central governments are destined to oppress and strip the civil liberties of it's people

No government can truly be trusted

But I'd rather have a stronger local government than central

I can't respond right now, but this is based on a faulty enlightenment view of power dynamics that I will address in maybe an hour.