Message from @Gromp
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since Time is also a factor that is in motion
@Spergerger not sure how he figured those things out
can you soundly demonstrate that at all?
but ok
via logic
so you now admit that this argumentation offers a logical proof for something we refer to as god?
no, if anything it just tells us that there is a first mover. And that is only, when i grant your premises
addie you have shown a lack of comprehension again
okay so what alternatives would there plausibly be?
if not a thing/being that exists outside of time
the characteristics necessary for a first mover are the characteristics of god
literally anything, so long as you claim it exists outside of time
i could make up something right now with those characteristics lol. I also don't agree with a lot of them
what parts did you disagree with?
i thought we went through them
"cannot have any imperfections"
so God is perfectly nonexistant?
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no, which is where we go into the next point
Cuz it’s pretty damn subjective
yes
what is "perfect"
perfectly evil?
imperfection is unrealised potentiality
or what about perfectly physical
i disagree
well perfect is defined as having all desired or required qualities, characteristics and elements - as good as it is possible to be
but i'm a bit puzzled here, you said you disagreed on a lot of things
which points in particular?
besides eight
Yea what things are desired?
Cuz many contradict each other
this smacks of some kind of omnipotence argument
''durr can god make a square circle''
You can’t be both flat and round for example
Or both calm and angry
it's a bit of a copout to try and disprove via laws that he created; you would have to conclude that somebody who is *outside* of these laws is not beholden to them
since he himself defines what they are
Nah I’m just tryna understand your definition of perfect
yes thats not a potential doe
there isnt a potential square circle waiting to be made out of a wood block
contradictions have no potential