Message from @Riley
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it is therefore necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other, and this everybody understand to be God
ahhhh there we have it
"and everybody understands this to be God"
okay so
i could replace god with anything
and it would still be valid
lmao no no on
cringe moment
not understanding the argument moment
okay but we have to deduce that there had to be a beginning point, having had no objections prior to point eight, right?
no objections. Well small ones, but im granting you a few things
okay, so the thing is that whatever you replace with God as the beginning point
this explains why that critique is cringe
has to logically exist outside of Time itself
since Time is also a factor that is in motion
@Spergerger not sure how he figured those things out
can you soundly demonstrate that at all?
but ok
via logic
so you now admit that this argumentation offers a logical proof for something we refer to as god?
no, if anything it just tells us that there is a first mover. And that is only, when i grant your premises
addie you have shown a lack of comprehension again
okay so what alternatives would there plausibly be?
if not a thing/being that exists outside of time
the characteristics necessary for a first mover are the characteristics of god
literally anything, so long as you claim it exists outside of time
i could make up something right now with those characteristics lol. I also don't agree with a lot of them
what parts did you disagree with?
i thought we went through them
"cannot have any imperfections"
so God is perfectly nonexistant?
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no, which is where we go into the next point
Define perfect please
Cuz it’s pretty damn subjective
yes
what is "perfect"
perfectly evil?
imperfection is unrealised potentiality
or what about perfectly physical