okay so

i could replace god with anything

and it would still be valid

lmao no no on

cringe moment

not understanding the argument moment

okay but we have to deduce that there had to be a beginning point, having had no objections prior to point eight, right?

no objections. Well small ones, but im granting you a few things

okay, so the thing is that whatever you replace with God as the beginning point

this explains why that critique is cringe

has to logically exist outside of Time itself

since Time is also a factor that is in motion

@Spergerger not sure how he figured those things out

can you soundly demonstrate that at all?

but ok

via logic

so you now admit that this argumentation offers a logical proof for something we refer to as god?

no, if anything it just tells us that there is a first mover. And that is only, when i grant your premises

addie you have shown a lack of comprehension again

okay so what alternatives would there plausibly be?

if not a thing/being that exists outside of time

the characteristics necessary for a first mover are the characteristics of god

literally anything, so long as you claim it exists outside of time

i could make up something right now with those characteristics lol. I also don't agree with a lot of them

what parts did you disagree with?

i thought we went through them

"cannot have any imperfections"

so God is perfectly nonexistant?

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no, which is where we go into the next point

Define perfect please

Cuz it’s pretty damn subjective

yes

what is "perfect"

perfectly evil?

imperfection is unrealised potentiality

or what about perfectly physical

i disagree

well perfect is defined as having all desired or required qualities, characteristics and elements - as good as it is possible to be

but i'm a bit puzzled here, you said you disagreed on a lot of things