@Attika In 1945

there were 12 democratic countries

i.e where people had the right to vote

And look how well they did

By the end of the 20th century

there were 86

That stopped increasing in 2000

Ever since 2000, it has been decreasing

In fact they were so successful that now their success is killing themselves.

And it has been proven that an autocratic government is more effective at nation-building than democracy

Look at south-east asia

Hong Kong

China?

Singapore

I’d rather die than live in a socialist state.

Hyper-Capitalist (that's not the point), but very Autocratic

Very authoritarian

Attika where do you live?

I hate authoritarian governments. Government needs to stay the fuck out of my life. Run the politics but stay out of my life and how I live.

US. Central US

Well there are socialist policies spearheaded by Republicans

Socialist policies, some of them. Can be okay.

@Attika You as an individual may think that, but thinking in terms of the general population - it is a proven fact people prefer *security and order* over *freedom*

I said Socialist state

Most US residents conflate those two

Anyone who would trade their Freedom for security deserve neither and will lose both.

My mistake

@Attika That quote is not gospel

I treat it as such

It cannot be proven

It can be disproven even

Hong Kong and Singapore are great examples

Where less freedom has led to higher living standards

The moment the government tells me how many kids I can have, what beliefs to have, or how I make my money, they have gone too far.

I don’t care.

I disagree on that

The government *should* direct these aspects of everyday life for the average citizen, keep in mind i say average

I’d rather be dirt poor and freedom of speech than have a cozy life and no rights.

No.

The average person is not very intelligent

No.