Message from @el pebble
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Norse religion is the best you know
Hahahhah Christianity banned the general public from learning how to read in the first place. Attributing the creation of a language thanks to a religion is retarded.
Before christianity people were very well separated in tribes and knew their ancestry and were able to distinguish what is native and what is not. With Christianity, everyone can be a part of society as long as they are the *right type* of Christian. Smh CivNats
Christians never fought the Crusade FOR Europe, they fought for their faith, not their land. Their land however, is in the middle east. Extra points if you know who holds those lands now.
Romans were Pagans and the Roman populus was educated, free to visit libraries and create art and philosophy. Christianity stagnated civilization, kept it on a limbo. Libraries and reading in general were for exculusive use to the clergy, so everything is indoctrination and well kept from the general public.
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Romans also had loads of gay butt sex and were pedos
Romans = Buttsex & Romans = Pagan. Therefore Pagan = Buttsex.
^Brainlet logic
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Yikes, a straw man.
Youâre not understanding the point that I am making.
No Christianity wasnât perfect, and, youâre quite figuratively speaking of a fart in Christianityâs 2000 year history.
The crux of the argument is here (seeing as you missed it): Christianityâs role in Western Civilianisation, for better or for worse, is one of the key reasons we have it.
Youâre doing a lot of arguing as to why Christianity is bad in government (hence your education strawman); but this was never a conversation of Christianityâs importance in government, it was always to do with its importance in Western history. History that needs to be preserved in order to keep WC alive. Itâs attribution to our way of life today should be highlighted, but Religion should never have political power. That was my argument.
***Yes I do attribute English to Christianity because Anglonised Latin was made possible by Alfred the Great who wanted to unite the Christian Kingdoms. Literature, art and culture that evolved from his time through policies made by him and his son, Edward the Wise, eventually paved way to the language that you are speaking now***
The point to be taken from that is not that I suggest institutionalised Christianity created English, rather, how devout Christians of the time made English (and its cousins) possible because of their devout nature to advancement in technology and ***Culture***
Iâm not even talking shit against Paganism as if I think Pagans havenât attributed to Western Civilisation (Romans blah blah gay greeks blah blah)
Itâs more so that Christianity is the reason we can even remember that past, because Christianâs were the only ones through history who wanted to keep it alive. Nordic Pagans didnât even know this shit happened, whatâs Latin compared to a few Runes on a rock?
So Ill reiterated: Christianity deserves to be remembered and preserved as a cultural importance in WC history, but it should not be political.
(Also you speak as if Pagans were just a happy bunch amongst themselves lol, is that why Rome conquered Pagans rather than just monotheists like the Jews?)
Honestly pan Europeans can be so fucking cringey sometimes as if they think Europe was a massive Iron Fist, start to finish
âChristians never fought for Europe.â
Lol! The very reason you get to call it fucking Europe is because Christianity expanded and set stone in your idea of a Europe đ
Again, you are mixing modern ideals and thinking with Medieval Europe. Europe today is just the result of Christian nations being congregated in a single spot on the map.
Do you even understand that what you call Europe is only Europe because people, sometime ago, looked on a map and thought âthese are all the Christian countries, these are the heathens to the east- we have our Europe west of the heathens lolâ
Europe was whatever was Christian on the continent.
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No, you're wrong. That is not an acheivement of the faith. Romans also had literature, some that was kept from the public and some that was burned, erased from history by priests. I assume you didn't mean that Chrstianity built Western Culture, because it didn't, it only assimilated to the culture already there. Christianity is not directly responsible for folk culture and traditions since they were there before Christianity. Yes Christianity by assimilating is responsible for the specific culture we have now and I'm not erasing it from history, although I'm definietly not saying that the culture we have now is positive.
Alfred the Great was smeared by the church in his attempts to acheive his goals. The FAITH itself was his hinderance, not the reason for his goal (that you mentioned yourself was the advancement of culture and technology).
In relation to Nordics, yes they wrote stuff on a rock while Romans didn't. I repeat, Christians didn't invent Latin and scripture, it was the Romans before them, this is not their achievement.
I also repeat that I do not think that Christianity should be erased from history but kept as an example of how corrupt an organised religion can be.
I also never claimed Pagans were peaceful that is *your* strawman. What I claimed that Pagans never waged war over **faith**
Im not explaining why you are wrong again lol
If Christianity wouldn't have existed in Europe it doesn't mean civilization wouldn't have kept records because they were already doing so before Christianity
The biggest and what you would call âCivilisation in Europeâ was the Romans
The Romans became Christians long before 476, and the ERE kept it going until the 1400 hundreds. So, those record your speak of, ended in 476 with Christianity, and were preserved by Christians thereafter. (Including translations- after 476, Latin became dormant and forgotten but Christian monasteries kept it alive- another + 1 for Christianity)
Whatever, I got to get up for work in a few hours. Good luck with erasing one of the biggest influences in Western Civilisation while memorising the meanings of a handful of runes
Yes, kept those records sealed in the church, which didn't allow for the masses and potential great thinkers to put their minds to work until they were finally released. You're only claiming they held those records "hostage" for centuries. Where is the positive achievement in that?
Thought Iâd wait around to see if youâd apply modern thought processes to medieval history again
Did not disappoint lol
+Which shows how backwards it set the old ways of thought because before medieval times it was allowed. The only reason the church did so in thier time was to hold the monopoly on written history and use it for indoctrination and gain power as a political influence, which it did. That was the objective.
@el pebble mega cringe
@Deleted User pagamism is cring
MUH WITE GODS
Czernobog ain't white tho
like does anyone actually believe in the pagan gods
or it is all larp
You don't "believe" in gods that's an Abrahamic concept lel
o ok so you don't think they are actually real
lole
no its not lol
they are actually real
if you don't literally believe in the gods you aren't pagan bruh
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"they are actually real"
ok prove it @Deleted User <:groyper:515728068275601419>
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how can someone say god is real
how can someone not
id just need proof
you can't feel god?