Message from @adolphus the sorrowful

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2019-12-18 03:21:00 UTC  

???????

2019-12-18 03:21:03 UTC  

tfw serfs owned land and you dont

2019-12-18 03:21:05 UTC  

it is the case

2019-12-18 03:22:15 UTC  
2019-12-18 03:24:20 UTC  

i believe in wages tho ? under socialism, while the state still exists as an active entity at least.

2019-12-18 03:24:34 UTC  

i just think the problem lies in the way you recieve the full fruits of your labor.

2019-12-18 03:25:10 UTC  

under the status quo, you're missing a lot of the benefits of the return of the surplus value you reduce because it is extracted by a capitalist for profit

2019-12-18 03:25:40 UTC  

Bruh

2019-12-18 03:25:52 UTC  

in a socialist society, you'd recieve the benefits in a way of, say, a universal healthcare system, a universal education system, etc. etc. and also a wage.

2019-12-18 03:26:03 UTC  

but those things cost money

2019-12-18 03:26:12 UTC  

and that has to come from somewhere

2019-12-18 03:26:18 UTC  

>universal healthcare

2019-12-18 03:26:18 UTC  

namely the working population

2019-12-18 03:26:21 UTC  

im telling u where it comes from though

2019-12-18 03:26:36 UTC  

the profit that would be accumulated by the capitalist

2019-12-18 03:26:48 UTC  

you would have to pay heavy taxes to afford the universay education and healthcare

2019-12-18 03:27:00 UTC  

thats from the state not some capitalist

2019-12-18 03:27:09 UTC  

sure you may have some more spending money

2019-12-18 03:27:24 UTC  

but you cant create programs without money

2019-12-18 03:27:41 UTC  

ur not understanding what im saying... im saying that we need to reorganize production to REMOVE the profit motive. the surplus value extracted from the worker that would traditionally go to fatten a capitalist's wallet

2019-12-18 03:27:48 UTC  

would be reimbursed to the worker

2019-12-18 03:28:00 UTC  

I don't go to the doctor to begin with. So if someone ruins their body, they get the 100k in bills or so paid for with my labor, but if I don't go to the doctor and spend only 5k through out my life, that's fine?

2019-12-18 03:28:01 UTC  

i suggest reading the gotha programme

2019-12-18 03:28:04 UTC  

Who

2019-12-18 03:28:06 UTC  

The fuck

2019-12-18 03:28:07 UTC  

Pinged

2019-12-18 03:28:08 UTC  

Me

2019-12-18 03:28:15 UTC  

I will unleash hell's wrath

2019-12-18 03:28:25 UTC  

@sato13193 this, fuck doctors they suck at their job

2019-12-18 03:28:50 UTC  

fuckers didnt diagnose my grandpas cancer until he fucking died from it

2019-12-18 03:29:02 UTC  

never got the care he needed

2019-12-18 03:29:11 UTC  

what a fucking thanks he gets for being in vietnam

2019-12-18 03:29:58 UTC  

'Healthcare' should be trying to prevent the problems.

2019-12-18 03:30:19 UTC  

yes. and you say "if someone ruins their body" like the profit generated from your labor couldn't be used to help an organ transplant for a congenitally ill person. the money can be used in various different ways

2019-12-18 03:30:51 UTC  

and you're also receiving the equal access to care the care needed

2019-12-18 03:30:55 UTC  

so wtf does that matter anyways

2019-12-18 03:30:58 UTC  

"You pretend to pay me, and I pretend to work."

2019-12-18 03:31:09 UTC  

economic

2019-12-18 03:31:10 UTC  

would you rather have the money lining ur bosses wallet or in a hospital

2019-12-18 03:31:17 UTC  

to me

2019-12-18 03:31:27 UTC  

I would rather it going to me.